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Nothing. I'd already called 3 times last week and gave her my availability for today. She hasn't returned my last message and I'm not going to waste anymore time with her.
You won't hear from her again until she thinks her boss will start to notice her desk has been a bit quiet and she has to shake things up by getting lots of applicants to play telephone tag with her.
I SWEAR that is what she is doing, because I have went through it myself, either with recruiters I am signed up with who are suddenly playing telephone tag with me and then just mysteriously give up OR with recruiters who talked me into coming into their offices and meeting with them, but when asked about opportunities over the phone, just said, "We have a lot of different opportunities, but first I have to meet you before I can discuss them." Fast forward to appointment (sometimes as soon as the next day after the phone call), and it's, "Please make sure you write MY NAME next to yours on the sign-in sheet" or "Please be sure and tell the receptionist you are meeting with ME" and the final result is, "I wanted to get acquainted with you, because although we have no job orders right now, if one comes in that matches you, we will be ahead of the game and we can send you right out to interview for it." Fast forward again to many weeks later and I receive a mass email about a job opening and I try and get in touch with said recruiter and recruiter either never calls me back or says something like, "they filled it internally, blah blah."
I swear many of these recruiters are just using job candidates in order for themselves to look busy to their bosses!
DH worked with a couple of recruiters when we first moved here. After running into the kinds of things that y'all are complaining about, he "fired" them and became his own recruiter. He had a job within 3 weeks. Recently he was laid off, began the job search as his own recruiter again, and two months to the day he started his new job.
I'm leaving my job at the end of the month, and using his methods I intend to find work that I can do at home as a Virtual Assistant.
I worked as a recruiter in the past, and NEVER treated my applicants with anything but respect. It's hard enough being out of work without the person who is supposed to be helping you treating you like you don't matter.
Thank you for confirming how crooked recruiters and the firms they work for are.
Just one example that those in this industry will deny til the cows come home, but we all know it is true:
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I use to work for Management Resources and they would have us write generic job postings. The actual job usually did not exist but they would write ads for controllers, cost accountants, sarbanes oxley specialist, ect. The purpose of these positings were to build their candidate base. Once they have your resume, they can peddle you. It's never about you with Robert Half, it's about them and how they can create a sale, even if its the wrong situation for both parties.
Here are my 2 cent:
If that was a serious proposal, she would have called you 20-30 times, including when you are in the bathroom. It was probably a routine call - "hey, how are you doing, what's new, can you send me your updated resume, can you answer our survey, ect etc.). From my experience with recruiters, there is no need to call them. If there is a good match with the open position, they'll find you.
You know in all likelihood its a scam, but when you're desperate looking for work you can't afford to turn down any possibility. Just the emotional up and down is enough to drive anyone insane!
Almost as bad as job fairs---I don't understand why they even bother to have them, just a PR stunt and way to expend their budget in a quick, convenient manner for the HR folks, usually while being put up at a nice hotel. My dh stood in line for 2.5 hours at a job fair. When he finally did get to the "end of the rainbow", finally saw the company representative, it was some giggling little gal about our dauhter's age who just kept looking at his resume and saying "Wow" Then handed him back his resume (didn't even keep a copy), and told him to "keep it in a safe place" (like he didn't have copies?), then told him to "be sure to apply online, a rseume like that would go far! Then handed him a coffee mug. He said there was a pile of coffee mugs in the trash out the door! BTW, that job fair was for experienced engineers, then there was hardly one engineering firm recurting, just a bunch of headhunters! Recuiters at a job fair, how lazy can you get!
Recruiters work much the same as real estate agents---its all about commission, splitting commissions, etc.
If you so much as touch base with a recruiter they "own" you. They usually want you to send in your resume to tweak on it, then they re-work it (usually some basic changes), then that resume becomes their "property". Any job obtained using that resume brings a commission, even if the original recruiter had nothing to do with your obtaining that job. They stick it in their job bank, and if another recruiter (from their firm or another) brings you a job, the employer owes a commission, usually split all along the way. The best recruiters usually never actually do anything to connect job hunter to job, they just sit back and rake in the commissions from the top down.
Oftentimes a recruiter is the kiss of death in a job search. Face it, if an employer has 2 candidates, one who has marketed himself, and the other from an agency with a big fee, well, who would you go with? No one is that unique in this job market. Also, those agencies become one big PITA for the employing agency to deal with. Once negotiations begin, they're supposed to filter everything through the agency, including setting interviews, offers, etc. With employment law so dicey to begin with, many employers just give up dealing with them, although why they bothered in the first place I don't know.
I know for a fact my dh lost out on two jobs because he was represented by an agency. In both cases he had an inside contact (with no clout, just grapevine), who told him the agency became so difficlut to deal with they just passed him over. In both cases the agency tried to negoiate a higher salary, because their commission is a percentage of salary. Well, dh would have been more than glad to have taken a lower salary, just to be employed, but the agency held out for more, so, they went to candidate number 2.
DON'T make the mistake of ever getting involved with those jokers in the first place. They muddy the waters, misrepresent you, and many times throw the deal. Their time frame is longer than yours---they're employed, you're not.
Don't think you're covering all bases, I'll work with any agency that contacts me, along with doing my own job hunt. You'r just competing with yourself. Once word gets out you're represented by an agency, even if not for that job, they just don't want to deal with you.
I honestly don't know how those agencies even stay in business, they must place some people sometimes to earn a fee, but who? Never us! When you think they typically charge about one year's salary as commission, they don't need to place many to earn a big, fat fee.
I have looked up other names of recruiters/agencies and they were just as bad or worse. Obviously I've been looking for a job on my own too but man, I wish I read this info sooner and would have saved myself some grief. I would have steered clear of them altogether. Live and learn.
Especially when your funds are EXTREMELY limited and can't afford to waste none of it--along with time, energy or fuel dealing with this bullcrap. No, they are not all like that but the ones I have dealt with are because they all followed the same darn pattern!!!
I am telling everyone I know that is looking for work, the names of the recruiters/agencies that I dealt with and I will refer them to the link to check it out for themselves. Go ahead--plug in the name of the recruiter and see what you find. STEER CLEAR OF THESE LYING BASTAGES!!!
People are really struggling out here to find jobs to make ends meet and these jerks pull these stunts for the sake of numbers?? These are real people's lives and that's just dead wrong!
Here are my 2 cent:
If that was a serious proposal, she would have called you 20-30 times, including when you are in the bathroom. It was probably a routine call - "hey, how are you doing, what's new, can you send me your updated resume, can you answer our survey, ect etc.). From my experience with recruiters, there is no need to call them. If there is a good match with the open position, they'll find you.
Very true! If it is something bona fide, the recruiter will stalk you!
I just remembered something that happened years ago back when there was no call waiting when I was just a pup ... I was on the phone and suddenly the operator broke in to tell me I had another call that was an "emergency." Who was it? A recruiter with a job she needed filled.
In my years of dealing with recruiters, employment agencies, placement firms, etc. I never once got a decent fit. The “opportunities” (they never come right out and tell you the name of the company, if it even exists – just some vague “opportunity” somewhere) were mostly hard to fill, short term projects, underpaid, undesirable or otherwise nothing more than what can best be described as short term stepping stones. In other forums dealing with a recruiter has been described as wanting a meal and settling for fast food. You get your stomach filled but not exactly the steak dinner you had hoped for but at least you're not hungry anymore.
I've dealt with a lot of recruiters over the years and put up with a lot of their BS. One time the recruiter wanted me to describe in detail what happened my last day on the job. I guess this was to get me all depressed and desperate to soften me up for whatever piece of crap they were about to toss at me and expect me to be a grateful little shoeshine boy. Another time the employment agency woman called and started the conversation off by chiding me in a snide tone “are you working?” Hmm, if I answer my home phone on a work day its quite obvious that I'm not working now isn't it? Everything mentioned these past few posts about recruiters is true and right on the money. The same can be said for so-called “job fairs”. I never once got a job through a job fair nor has anyone else that I've known. A complete waste of time!
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