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Old 11-28-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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The video says everything...


How the jews treat christians in israel? - YouTube

True or not true?
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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Well, if we can trust the profanity-laced words of an angry teenager involved in a very touchy political situation that very few Westerners truly understand, as they have never been there and are not involved in it, and assume that the clip is genuine and not an obvious setup to enrage someone into sceaming incoherently - then I suppose it's true.

"Angry youth declares: stereotype of Jews as Christ-Killers is true!"

Lovely thread you've created here. I'm sure it won't offend anyone.

Judging from your other posts on this Forum - this seems to be par for the course with your posts.
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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That teenager was angry, but looking at many other youtube clips similar it is true that Jews curse Christ on Television, Israeli media etc. frequently, which I see is stupid. They have the right to think what they want if they deny Christ, but don't insult Christians.
I wonder if we did the same in the U.S. how they would feel.

For 2,000 years ago at Jesus time back then where he was born, the land was settled by the Jews and Romans. When Pilate asked the crowd that to do with Christ, they said Crusify him, and crowd was made up by Jews. Pilate also asked whether to relase the theif (Baraba) or Christ, they wanted Baraba to be free and kill Christ.
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:58 AM
 
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That teenager was angry, but looking at many other youtube clips similar it is true that Jews curse Christ on Television, Israeli media etc. frequently, which I see is stupid. They have the right to think what they want if they deny Christ, but don't insult Christians.
I wonder if we did the same in the U.S. how they would feel.

For 2,000 years ago at Jesus time back then where he was born, the land was settled by the Jews and Romans. When Pilate asked the crowd that to do with Christ, they said Crusify him, and crowd was made up by Jews. Pilate also asked whether to relase the theif (Baraba) or Christ, they wanted Baraba to be free and kill Christ.
I suppose you believe everything written in a book, right? As long as it suits what you're trying to say....

There are so many historical problems with the idea that Jews killed Jesus that it's not even worth opening up this hornet's nest - it resulted in 2000 years of anit-semitism that should never have happened. All because some Christians, trying not to run afoul of the Romans by making them look like the 'Christ-Killers'; and attempting to demonize their Jewish enemies, because they refused to join the new sect of Christianity; white-washed the character of Pontius Pilate so much that he was eventually made into a Saint, even though we historically know that he was one of the worst anti-semitic governors of Judea that ever ruled, and was eventually recalled for his behavior - never to be heard of again; - all because a few Gospels preach that the Jews killed Jesus.

Biblical Scholarship itself (not to mention history) has shown that this wasn't the case. Jesus was executed for being a rebel. By the Romans. It happened frequently. He was another failed Jewish leader among many. And that should have been the end of the story, as far as the culpability of the Jews in the matter are concerned.

Looking at your other posts, Girl, you seem to have the same agenda as the OP. What a coincidence! And roughly the same amount of posts! Wow!
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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He was technically executed by the Romans. Of course, history records that the Jewish leaders at the time did have some input into the process. No...this does not condemn all Jews today. Anyone using it as an excuse for anti-semitism is wrong. We need to love the Jewish people--our Messiah came through the Jews.
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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He was technically executed by the Romans. Of course, history records that the Jewish leaders at the time did have some input into the process. No...this does not condemn all Jews today. Anyone using it as an excuse for anti-semitism is wrong. We need to love the Jewish people--our Messiah came through the Jews.

right! it's so sad to see videos like that. all you can do is shake your head. like wow!
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Old 11-28-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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The video does say everything.
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Old 11-28-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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He was technically executed by the Romans. Of course, history records that the Jewish leaders at the time did have some input into the process. No...this does not condemn all Jews today. Anyone using it as an excuse for anti-semitism is wrong. We need to love the Jewish people--our Messiah came through the Jews.
That's important to know and remember, as far as Anti-Semitism is concerned.
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Old 11-28-2011, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I suppose you believe everything written in a book, right? As long as it suits what you're trying to say....

There are so many historical problems with the idea that Jews killed Jesus that it's not even worth opening up this hornet's nest - it resulted in 2000 years of anit-semitism that should never have happened. All because some Christians, trying not to run afoul of the Romans by making them look like the 'Christ-Killers'; and attempting to demonize their Jewish enemies, because they refused to join the new sect of Christianity; white-washed the character of Pontius Pilate so much that he was eventually made into a Saint, even though we historically know that he was one of the worst anti-semitic governors of Judea that ever ruled, and was eventually recalled for his behavior - never to be heard of again; - all because a few Gospels preach that the Jews killed Jesus.

Biblical Scholarship itself (not to mention history) has shown that this wasn't the case. Jesus was executed for being a rebel. By the Romans. It happened frequently. He was another failed Jewish leader among many. And that should have been the end of the story, as far as the culpability of the Jews in the matter are concerned.

Looking at your other posts, Girl, you seem to have the same agenda as the OP. What a coincidence! And roughly the same amount of posts! Wow!
With all due respect, whoppers, you can't deny the Jewish involvement in the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus. There's anti-semitism and there's distorting history. Why is it that you've adopted such a stridently pro-Jewish stance?
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Old 11-28-2011, 02:01 PM
 
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With all due respect, whoppers, you can't deny the Jewish involvement in the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus. There's anti-semitism and there's distorting history. Why is it that you've adopted such a stridently pro-Jewish stance?
I assume you are calling what whoppers said as the "distortion of history." By history, do you mean what is written in the gospels? If so, I think that the gospels themselves do not qualify as a history. Supernatural and fantastic stories aside, whoppers makes a good point concerning their account of Pontius Pilate. How he is portrayed in the gospels and how the historians of his day speak of him are vastly different. It would seem as if there there is some distortion going on in the gospels themselves, so their historical veracity is in question.

I would not doubt, though, that Jesus of Nazareth drew the ire of the Sanhedrin. His message would be a threat to their authority and power. Did they have a direct line to the Roman authorities to have Jesus arrested and crucified? Possible. Whether they did or not, Pilate was sure to catch notice of yet another "messiah" who was disrupting the order.

Had the Jewish authorities complained to Pilate on a charge of blasphemy, Pilate could have cared less. This was the charge of the Jewish authorities according to Mark. But, an accusation of being "King of the Jews" would be politically charged and Pilate true to his form would have had Jesus executed and would not have thought twice about it. The claims of kingship on any level would appear to to be a challenge to the divine rule of Caesar.

If Pilate had indeed asked the Jewish crowd what to do with Jesus, it was merely an attempt to gauge support for Jesus. This would be important information for him to know in dealing with the aftermath of an execution of a messiah. He was not asking their permission or for their advice. It is also highly doubtful that Pilate would have agreed to release a dangerous insurrectionist like Barabbas, assuming that episode even happened.

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