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Old 05-21-2014, 09:18 AM
 
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That is the way I see them, one of many things HaShem created to keep the water clean and pure...
Correct.

 
Old 05-21-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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Correct.
Same with pork...If one watches their habits one can see why they are unclean and unhealthy...so, even though some think that Macht's work was biased, do think he deliberately falsified the toxicity levels in unclean foods?...
 
Old 05-21-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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Same with pork...If one watches their habits one can see why they are unclean and unhealthy...so, even though some think that Macht's work was biased, do think he deliberately falsified the toxicity levels in unclean foods?...
Pork fails in two places. Since the Torah was written in the area which has limited resource, the Pig was a useless animal. A pig will drink 3-5 gallons of water per day and eat anything in sight. From life to death it gives nothing. People have tried to make cheese from their milk, but it was an epic fail. Macht's words weren't even necessary since the animal was found to be useless before the Torah and Quran ever existed. The animal was common to far eastern Asia and southern Africa. Everywhere else in the middle had limited resources. So even when the Pig was traded in the southern trade routes the people in the Middle East and North Africa found it as a resource destroyer.
 
Old 05-21-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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The reason Jews don't eat treif is because G-d tells us not to eat it. Has nothing to do with health.

Why must people try so hard to make the Mitzvos make sense to them before they decide to follow it or not?
 
Old 05-21-2014, 01:27 PM
 
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The reason Jews don't eat treif is because G-d tells us not to eat it. Has nothing to do with health.

Why must people try so hard to make the Mitzvos make sense to them before they decide to follow it or not?
Was anyone ever stoned for eating non-kosher?...
 
Old 05-21-2014, 01:29 PM
 
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The reason Jews don't eat treif is because G-d tells us not to eat it. Has nothing to do with health.

Why must people try so hard to make the Mitzvos make sense to them before they decide to follow it or not?
I have no problem following mitzvot, I just want to understand why...
 
Old 05-21-2014, 01:30 PM
 
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Why must people try so hard to make the Mitzvos make sense to them before they decide to follow it or not?
If the commandments were meant to be commandments instead of oppotunities then all 613 would be listed on a couple of pages that are in order, but they are not. Instead they are pulled from sentences out of a manuscript that in book form is about 1100 pages long. The Talmud tries to first explain what is stated in the Torah which is fine. But then it expands what is stated in the Torah to what is not stated in the Torah. If you would read the Jerusalem Talmud instead of the Babylonian Talmud you would see the structure difference. Instead the Ashkenazim chose to discard most of it as incomplete and cherry pick the parts not covered in Babylonian Talmud.

When you don't understand something you run to a posek. I simply choose a different direction to better understand something.

This is why in Judaism as well as Islam you should be able to read it and understand it in its original form so there is no loss in translation. This is the correct way to learn a language. Once one can think in another language then speaking it and reading it is pretty easy.
 
Old 05-21-2014, 01:36 PM
 
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If the commandments were meant to be commandments instead of oppotunities then all 613 would be listed on a couple of pages that are in order, but they are not. Instead they are pulled from sentences out of a manuscript that in book form is about 1100 pages long. The Talmud tries to first explain what is stated in the Torah which is fine. But then it expands what is stated in the Torah to what is not stated in the Torah. If you would read the Jerusalem Talmud instead of the Babylonian Talmud you would see the structure difference. Instead the Ashkenazim chose to discard most of it as incomplete and cherry pick the parts not covered in Babylonian Talmud.

When you don't understand something you run to a posek. I simply choose a different direction to better understand something.

This is why in Judaism as well as Islam you should be able to read it and understand it in its original form so there is no loss in translation. This is the correct way to learn a language. Once one can think in another language then speaking it and reading it is pretty easy.
I agree...
 
Old 05-21-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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Was anyone ever stoned for eating non-kosher?...
Consumption of blood only in relation to Kosher and as a added note not eating Matza during Passover are items listed as stonable offenses.
 
Old 05-21-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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So that makes me curious. If you reject the Talmud, do you reject the concept of an Oral Torah, transmitted from father to son and teacher student?
I don't reject the Talmud. I just have a different view of it.
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