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I appreciate your comment and the patience as well, if that's what seems to be necessary with regard to my comments, but with all due respect...
I am forever feeling the "push back" is because I question, or don't necessarily agree with all explanation about one thing or another. I have never known such aversion to simply explaining where there are points of confusion or disagreement, and I struggle to understand this. I continue, because I think there are people not so quickly inclined to dismiss the exchange simply because we don't all quickly agree about everything.
Take your example of my reply to rosends, who has probably exchanged opinion with me in this thread more than anyone, with far fewer stones thrown if any. rosends has made clear to me she does not agree with me about many things. Why is that okay but when I further address what seems to be the point of our different opinion and/or perspective, I'm called on the carpet for it?
Why is it wrong to explain I am not altogether accepting of something, and why should I presume NOBODY is going to want to communicate with me, when just about everyone has communicated with me? Some with thoughtful comment worthy of consideration -- consideration -- not necessarily full agreement. Others simply want to throw stones and nothing else. Am I to leave a thread and/or topic of interest to me, because of the stone throwers?
I surely hope not, as I too am using all the patience I can muster with them...
I will will speak for myself, and not for others here. I don't care if you "don't necessarily agree with all explanation(s) about one thing or another." Your agreement is not needed. Our beliefs are exactly that - OUR beliefs. YOU do not need to understand or agree with them in any way. I'm sure you have your own beliefs, in which I have no interest, curiosity, questioning, etc. Your beliefs are yours - have at 'em.
No one has "thrown stones" at you. On the contrary, I know that I would much prefer to ignore you entirely. However, you seem to have some reason for coming here repeatedly and questioning things, yet you do not accept the answers you are given. That is why I (and I believe others) "push back" on any dialogue with you, because there is no "dialogue" - only endless, stubborn, statements on your part.
I will will speak for myself, and not for others here. I don't care if you "don't necessarily agree with all explanation(s) about one thing or another." Your agreement is not needed. Our beliefs are exactly that - OUR beliefs. YOU do not need to understand or agree with them in any way. I'm sure you have your own beliefs, in which I have no interest, curiosity, questioning, etc. Your beliefs are yours - have at 'em.
No one has "thrown stones" at you. On the contrary, I know that I would much prefer to ignore you entirely. However, you seem to have some reason for coming here repeatedly and questioning things, yet you do not accept the answers you are given. That is why I (and I believe others) "push back" on any dialogue with you, because there is no "dialogue" - only endless, stubborn, statements on your part.
Very well put, and worth repeating.
However, as it happens, you are speaking for at least one other, even if that was not your intention.
I don't know whom you mean by "we" but those who stay closed off are generally people of a faith group who prefer not to try and explain complex beliefs in soundbites.
As you know, I'm not exactly big on "soundbites" either. I do my best to do better than that, especially with regard to matters that matter most...
I will will speak for myself, and not for others here. I don't care if you "don't necessarily agree with all explanation(s) about one thing or another." Your agreement is not needed. Our beliefs are exactly that - OUR beliefs. YOU do not need to understand or agree with them in any way. I'm sure you have your own beliefs, in which I have no interest, curiosity, questioning, etc. Your beliefs are yours - have at 'em.
No one has "thrown stones" at you. On the contrary, I know that I would much prefer to ignore you entirely. However, you seem to have some reason for coming here repeatedly and questioning things, yet you do not accept the answers you are given. That is why I (and I believe others) "push back" on any dialogue with you, because there is no "dialogue" - only endless, stubborn, statements on your part.
Again, no need to explain what is necessary and what is not, because we all understand this simple fact very well I think. I have no notion or expectation we necessarily all agree or disagree, but I got to wondering after signing off yesterday whether the title of this thread is part of the problem, for me anyway...
I came here because I had a question or two, about Judaism. The title of this thread simply lead me here. I've since begun to wonder if the title of this thread should read "For Jews Only," or "No Disagreement Allowed Here."
If you look at the record, fairly and in an unbiased manner, I have pretty well simply replied to comments directed to me, about these questions and/or issues that revolve around what we all believe and why. How you characterize my comments, questions or opinion is born of a dynamic I did not anticipate when I came to this thread.
Fact is, I have learned far more than I expected about followers of Judaism, Jewish people, by way of experiencing the reaction to my comments in this thread. Although I don't know how well those commenting in this thread represent all Jewish people, and although the reactions are varied, there is no doubt about a thing or two I have learned about the Jewish faith and its followers that I did not know before I got here.
Among several "take aways," for example, that I still don't understand too well, is why I have become the sole focus with some participating in this thread rather than simply ignore me and comment about whatever better suits, whatever of other interest. I have seen those comments about other topics and not responded if of no interest to me. Why is that so difficult for you and others I wonder...
I have participated in many threads in this forum over the last few years, and I have never encountered anything like the experience here. When it comes to understanding "what makes people tick," this thread has perhaps been the most fascinating to me of all so far. Quite a surprise if the truth be told. So, I have continued returning to have a look and perhaps learn still more about people drawn to this thread for whatever their reasons, whether they appreciate my part or not.
I am always hopeful of whatever civil exchange can be had without all the insult and emotion that tends to get in the way...
Another interesting comment if you ask me. If I may...
When it comes to what we deem "our holiday," like say Valentine's Day (not really a holiday), or Halloween, or MLK day (that is a holiday), Thanksgiving..., are people of different faiths, the Jewish faith, not allowed to share and/or honor these days not necessarily born of our specific religion? Not sure Valentine's Day is my holiday either, but I'd have Hell to pay trying to explain that to my wife.
Thank you for your comment/reply with regard to my sentiment.
PS: Our son-in-law apparent is Jewish, and he just gave our daughter a puppy as his Valentine's gift to her. Am I to understand that's also a no no according to you?
Torah observant Jews do not typically participate in any activities that have even an appearance of paganism or idol worship. My son’s yeshiva, for example, held parents weekend during the super bowl. Totally missed the game and totally don’t care. Last year I went to a wedding on Thanksgiving day. They served brisket and kugel, but no turkey or cranberry. We’re not interested in your world.
I started this thread in order to give questioners a Jewish View. It’s one way. I’m happy to tell you what I think, and I offer that out of kindness. But what you think is irrelevant to me, and I’d appreciate you keeping your views to yourself. This is not meant to be a dialog. It’s an info session.
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