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As a Jew, are you against Homosexuality and believe it is a sin?
Do you believe one can be a gay Jew?
Doesn't matter what I am for or against, or believe. You want "as a Jew," ask an orthodox rabbi.
As for me? As a Jew or not as a Jew, I am not really for it or against it. I regard it as a physical or mental disorder, but that's just my outlook. Others don't have to share it. I don't even know whether it is congenital or acquired. Probably both, usually in different cases. AFAIK, it is not a sin, whatever exactly that means, to BE a male homosexual, whatever exactly that means. What is prohibited is lying with a man as with a woman.
Of course, one can be a ***** (the word "gay" was already taken - you can't have it) Jew. All that is necessary is to be ***** and have a Jewish mother, or be a legitimate convert according to Jewish law. Once a Jew, always a Jew, and sexual inclinations or actions have nothing at all to do with this. This would seem to be something about which I would refer you to your LORD (Local Orthodox Rabbi Dude), but it is so straightforward that probably even I can't mess it up.
I ask as Christianity is a offshoot of Judsiam, and that topic is forced down the throats of Christians to agree with it on the Christianity forums and the Jews in the forum are typically silent on it, so im just wondering what many Jews think of that topic in general.
Homosexuality is named as an abomination in the Torah, as are eating pork, using rigged weights in the marketplace, dishonesty, and usury (just to name a few).
Christianity seems to pick and choose what it wants to share with the Torah and what to throw out.
Homosexuality is named as an abomination in the Torah, as are eating pork, using rigged weights in the marketplace, dishonesty, and usury (just to name a few).
Christianity seems to pick and choose what it wants to share with the Torah and what to throw out.
As I suspected, Orthodox are not very tolerant
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These are some of the things that are not kosher or transgress Jewish law: eating pork, shrimp, lobster, shopping on Shabbat (the Sabbath), homosexual acts, profanity.
So you are saying a person is "intolerant" if they don't eat ham? That a person is " intolerant" if they don't go shopping on Shabbat? That a person is "intolerant" if they don't use profanity?
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These are some of the things that are not kosher or transgress Jewish law: eating pork, shrimp, lobster, shopping on Shabbat (the Sabbath), homosexual acts, profanity.
So you are saying a person is "intolerant" if they don't eat ham? That a person is " intolerant" if they don't go shopping on Shabbat? That a person is "intolerant" if they don't use profanity?
"Another kind of "non-kosher" speech is disgusting language. Included in this category are such things as curse words, off-color jokes, or negative innuendo. What's wrong with saying an occasional curse word?
"The Torah teaches that the way one acts on the outside affects who one is on the inside. So even if a person is basically good, once he begins to speak in a crude way, his character will become negatively affected. The more crude a person's speech, the more crude he becomes."
Chapter 11 of Mesillas Yesharim "Path of the Just" has sources, book by Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzato
"Another kind of "non-kosher" speech is disgusting language. Included in this category are such things as curse words, off-color jokes, or negative innuendo. What's wrong with saying an occasional curse word?
"The Torah teaches that the way one acts on the outside affects who one is on the inside. So even if a person is basically good, once he begins to speak in a crude way, his character will become negatively affected. The more crude a person's speech, the more crude he becomes."
Chapter 11 of Mesillas Yesharim "Path of the Just" has sources, book by Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzato
It is too little, the Lord says,
for you to be my servant,
… I will make you a light to the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end
of the earth.
- Isaiah 49: 6
This if from a Christian source, so this may not be a correct translation of the actual scripture. If so, please correct or disregard the error.
My specific question is about the word "salvation". If that is a correct translation, what does that mean to Jews?
As you know, in fundamentalist Christianity it means redemption from the idea of original sin. In progressive Christianity, it can mean something different.
But, since it is Jewish scripture to begin with, addressed to Jews, and salvation from original sin is not Jewish, what is meant here?
I am just curious. I saw the verse in an email, and it caught my eye and I wondered.
It is too little, the Lord says,
for you to be my servant,
… I will make you a light to the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end
of the earth.
- Isaiah 49: 6
This if from a Christian source, so this may not be a correct translation of the actual scripture. If so, please correct or disregard the error.
My specific question is about the word "salvation". If that is a correct translation, what does that mean to Jews?
As you know, in fundamentalist Christianity it means redemption from the idea of original sin. In progressive Christianity, it can mean something different.
But, since it is Jewish scripture to begin with, addressed to Jews, and salvation from original sin is not Jewish, what is meant here?....
Salvation from What?
"The concept of salvation from sin as it is understood in Crstnty has no equivalent in Judaism.
"Salvation from sin is unnecessary in Judaism, because Judaism does not believe that mankind is inherently evil or sinful or in need of Divine Intervention in order to escape eternal damnation. In fact, Judaism does not even believe in eternal damnation."
Judaism recognizes that people are tempted to do bad stuff, and also that people have an inclination to do good and be good. We have free will to choose good over evil. We clearly have G-d’s promise of an inner ability to do this,
“Turn from evil and do good.” Psalm 37:27
"When the Torah speaks of G-d as our salvation or our redeemer, it is not speaking of salvation or redemption from sin; rather, it speaks of salvation from the very concrete, day-to-day problems that we face, such as redemption from slavery in Egypt, or salvation from our enemies."
It is too little, the Lord says,
for you to be my servant,
… I will make you a light to the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end
of the earth.
- Isaiah 49: 6
This if from a Christian source, so this may not be a correct translation of the actual scripture. If so, please correct or disregard the error.
My specific question is about the word "salvation". If that is a correct translation, what does that mean to Jews?
As you know, in fundamentalist Christianity it means redemption from the idea of original sin. In progressive Christianity, it can mean something different.
But, since it is Jewish scripture to begin with, addressed to Jews, and salvation from original sin is not Jewish, what is meant here?
I am just curious. I saw the verse in an email, and it caught my eye and I wondered.
Hoping to hear from my fellow New Jerseyan.
And He said, "It is too light for you to be My servant, to establish the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the besieged of Israel, but I will make you a light of nations, so that My salvation shall be until the end of the earth." https://www.chabad.org/library/bible...hapter-49.htm#
The chapter is speaking about bringing the Jewish people out of captivity/exile and returning them to Israel.
The rest of the chapter explains what the "salvation" is. It is freedom, a return to the land promised to Abraham, divine protection from physical enemies, and a fruitful existence on earth.
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