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Whats wrong with a Jew believing in Jesus? He was a pretty smart rabbi...and out shone Moses or Abraham.....don't get it why the Jews don't like the king of the Judeans (Jews) as Pilate once called him...Even the Muslims see Jesus as a great prophet....after all Christianity is a Jewish sect...is it not?
Christianity is not a Jewish sect and hasn't been for more than 2,000 years. Paul saw to that by discarding Jewish law, ritual and tradition.
I think "messianic jews" are an insidious nasty little Christian group with obvious alterior motives.
They are some of the worse sorts of Christians, IMO.
Sure that Jesus did not go around - rounding up followers...You either followed or you did not..He was not concerned about those that did not want to follow...He never forced anyone to do anything.
In Was Paul a Jew? (http://tinyurl.com/yhbps6s - broken link), her first piece as a columnist for Tablet, Judith Shulevitz writes about a new school of thought on Paul: The apostle, long considered the progenitor of anti-Semitism, may never have left his Judaism behind.
Just for s&g's what say you my friend to these findings:
Reporting in the April issue of PLoS Genetics, the researchers found that modern day Jews can attribute about 3% to 5% of their ancestry to sub-Saharan Africans, and that the exchange of genes between Jews and sub-Saharan Africans occurred approximately 72 generations, or about 2,000 years, ago.
Priya Moorjani, a doctoral student in Reich’s lab who led the research, was surprised that the degree of African DNA was so consistent across the various Jewish populations. She had expected, for example, that North African and Middle Eastern Jews would have a greater degree of genetic mingling than Europeans, based on their geographic proximities.
So the findings, Moorjani said, may point to a shared ancestry among the various Jewish groups. “It’s definitely suggestive that most Jewish populations have a common ancestral population,” she said.
Sure that Jesus did not go around - rounding up followers...You either followed or you did not..He was not concerned about those that did not want to follow...He never forced anyone to do anything.
Didn't he purportedly say, "No one gets to the Father except through me?", though? That's a pretty potent statement. Please forgive me if I misquote anything; I'm not an expert in Christian literature. Moreover, some of his followers murdered people who wouldn't convert.
Whats wrong with a Jew believing in Jesus? He was a pretty smart rabbi...and out shone Moses or Abraham.....don't get it why the Jews don't like the king of the Judeans (Jews) as Pilate once called him...Even the Muslims see Jesus as a great prophet....after all Christianity is a Jewish sect...is it not?
It's not that we don't "like" him; many Jews are understandably apprehensive and resentful after thousands of years of forced conversions and persecutions. "Like" isn't perhaps the right word. It's not about liking; we don't elevate him over other historical figures. Then we've got people insisting we have to believe he is G-d; as theflipflop said, we just want to live our lives, do our thing, because we don't try to tell everyone else what they should do or believe.
In Was Paul a Jew? (http://tinyurl.com/yhbps6s - broken link), her first piece as a columnist for Tablet, Judith Shulevitz writes about a new school of thought on Paul: The apostle, long considered the progenitor of anti-Semitism, may never have left his Judaism behind.
I'm not trying to be a smart aleck here; I really am trying to wrap my mind around this. Didn't Paul violate the mitzvah where you don't entertain any G-d but the eternal? If not, what's the difference between Paul and these people nowadays that are Christians but do Passover dinners and try to keep mitzvot?
Yes, they did airlift the Falasha people out of Ethiopa. I am not aware of any that were left behind unless it was their choice. Israel is not known for leaving anyone behind. It has been said that the Ark of the Covenant has been or is somewhere in Ethiopia, which may explain Jews so far removed from the Middle East.
As far as the Messianic movement its not logical, at least to me. The basic difference between Jews and Christians is that Jews believe the Messiah is to come while Christians believe he has been here and gone. I equate the Messianic movement to being a little pregnant, you either are or not, your either a Jew or a Christian.
Paul didn’t nullify Jewish law, nor did he, as Luther would claim later, place grace above works (that is, to paraphrase crudely, the acceptance of Jesus over the performance of mitzvot), or justification by faith above justification by law (being seen as righteous by God by virtue of your belief, rather than by virtue of your good deeds). Or rather, Paul did do those things—a less Lutheran version of them, anyway—but he didn’t mean for the whole world to do them, too. He attacked Jewish law only in the context of a very narrow debate raging in the earliest decades of the Jesus movement. Some Jewish Jesus-movement activists said that their pagan acolytes had to convert to Judaism before they could join the movement. Paul disagreed in the strongest possible terms (he did everything in the strongest possible terms). He maintained that these gentiles had to follow only the pre-rabbinic equivalent of the Noahide laws—the seven edicts against idolatry, adultery, etc., that all non-Jews are expected to follow. After hearing Jesus’ call—the first and still greatest revisionist, Krister Stendahl, insists that Paul experienced a call, in the manner of a Protestant minister, not a conversion—Paul took it upon himself to roam Asia Minor and preach the gospel to gentiles, and he so opposed their becoming Torah Jews that he devoted most of his letters to assaulting all the other evangelists who thought they should. These, one deduces, had been following him from city to city and telling his congregants that he was wrong about Judaism, which naturally enraged him.
I continue to thank people for answering my original question.
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