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Old 04-28-2013, 06:58 AM
 
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I would have called the police on you, too, had I been there. As a matter of fact, I'm considering whether I should report your IP adress to the City Data police right now.
Yes, I was kidding about the CD police. About calling the real police had I seen you at my shul, not so much kidding. We jews have no obligation to satisfy your religious curiosity. Try Wikipedia.
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Old 04-28-2013, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I'm not trying to be offensive, but your people, in general, are attacked a lot less than mine are.
In America yes, but in other parts of the world like the Middle East or countries where Christians are minority they are constantly being attacked, kidnapped, killed and destroy churches.

Where I live, there are lots of Jewish people though, so it's not like they are tiny minority.
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Old 04-28-2013, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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If by "normal American" you mean "white guy" then that's irrelevant and offensive. There are many non-White normal American Jews who go to synagogue. Now if you're a guy who's never been to the synagogue, is carrying a camera, speaks with a foreign accent, and wants to "look around", then that IS indeed suspicious, especially after the attacks two weeks ago by two "normal looking American"s. Synagogues are disproportionately targets of hate crimes. If you want to visit a synagogue, either come in and sit down in the back and introduce yourself at the end of the service, or e-mail ahead of time to schedule a tour.
First of all, before entering the synagogue I asked in a friendly way if I was allowed to come in and walk around for few minutes for the purpose of a school project. I was told yes, that's why I went inside. They knew about it, and they spoke with me outside with very nice conversation. Why call the police after I leave and not during I am there if they are suspicious of anything?

BTW I was not allowed to enter the service (probably because I told them I am not Jewish though).

Why can't people visit synagogues? Many churches are open for everybody regardless of faith. In NYC all churches are open for people to visit, pray, and take pictures. Same with mosques in the Middle East.
You cannot live your life being scared of being attacked or anything, because those things happens anytime unfortunately.
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:13 AM
 
Location: small Southern town balabusta
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:16 AM
 
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I don't know; I wasn't there. Not sure what happened. We don't pray with non-Jews, and prayer is serious, even though you said you thought they didn't look serious about it.

(I honestly would not expect myself to be welcome at a mosque in the middle East, by the way. And I wouldn't take that personally. If I wanted to see one, I'd look at one online, versus going on a prayer day. I mean that to be helpful, not hurtful. It's great to be inquisitive, but you have to know and understand culture and most of all, history.)
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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Many non-Jews do not understand how nervous and skittish we get when a stranger just shows up in the synagogue. Any time a stranger to our congregation shows up at a Shabbat service, and doesn't immediately put on a kippah and join right in with the service, you can bet we'll be all over him wanting to know (politely, of course) who he is and what his purpose is in being there. We are acutely aware of the long history of attacks on our people, and our own building has been the target of vandals in the past.

And we do not allow photography by anyone during Shabbat.

We have had Christian college students come to the synagogue to observe a service for a school paper, but they always call the synagogue office ahead of time to find out the time of the service, the proper dress and behavior, etc. We've welcomed them and tried to make them feel at home and answered all their questions. By clearing things ahead of time, they weren't so much "strangers," you see.
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Old 04-28-2013, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I think there most likely much, much more to this story.

We have all kinds of visitors to our services: students, youth groups, curious passerbys, non-Jewish family members. All that is ever asked is that they are respectful and refrain from using cameras, recording devices, or cell-phones. Any one who cannot do that is asked to leave. If they are openly hostile or exhibit other disturbing behavior, we will call the police.

As flipflop already stated, we have no obligation to allow you into our houses of worship.
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Old 04-28-2013, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Being of a minority religion myself I have considerable empathy with the Jews. Sadly it is very common for people with harm on their minds to enter a minority religions house of worship, often for the purpose of disruption.

It is a sad world there is so much suspicion, but at times it is needed to protect that which is close to me.

A suggestion. Before visiting a house of worship, it often prevents problems by first speaking to some one in authority first.

If that is done instead of being seen as an outsider, you may find yourself privileged to being an honored guest.

Speaking for myself. While every Mosque I have ever attended welcomes visitors, we do want to know they are there so they do not accidentally violate any of our practices. ie You remove your shoes and socks, You perform wudu first if you intend to participate in the prayers, you enter through the proper door etc. It is very easy for a non-Muslim to accidently do something that will be considered offensive if we are not aware the person is a Non-Muslim. A person who firsts contacts the Imam will be welcomed. Even given a chair to sit on.We do not have chairs or benches, in the Mosque except if needed for disabled people, the elderly and visitors.

While I speak as a Muslim and what I would like to see a visitor to a Mosque do, I believe the same would apply for a non-Jew wanting to visit a Synagogue.

I suspect if I tried to enter a synagogue unannounced and dressed in my Sunnah clothing I would be quite rapidly escorted to the door and held until the police arrived. Yet if I called a Rabbi first, and explained why I wanted to visit I am certain I would be welcomed with open arms.

We live in sad times and the nut-jobs are everywhere, it is understandable that minorities are suspicious of strangers. Self protection and survival are a high priority for most people.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I don't know; I wasn't there. Not sure what happened. We don't pray with non-Jews, and prayer is serious, even though you said you thought they didn't look serious about it.

(I honestly would not expect myself to be welcome at a mosque in the middle East, by the way. And I wouldn't take that personally. If I wanted to see one, I'd look at one online, versus going on a prayer day. I mean that to be helpful, not hurtful. It's great to be inquisitive, but you have to know and understand culture and most of all, history.)
You don't need to be there to see what happened... I told you what happened. Nobody said that I asked for prayers, and I go to church for prayers. America is not the Middle East, so you cannot compare it.

I'm mad and disappointed that they called a police and send him to my house after I turned my back from them and our nice conversation.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Couple of months ago I visited a Hindu temple with my two siblings, and we were very welcomed. We just told them we want to see how it is, their religion, etc. They were very welcoming, gave us a nice tour and told us we could come back any time. I thought Jews would be the same.

So I'll guess next time a visitor comes to our local church we will call the police after (They will receive several phone calls then)
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