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Old 05-21-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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(Background: In Judaism, there are two main types of commandments: "bein adam lemakom" - commandments between people and God, for example, ritual prayer, kosher, and "bein adam lechavero" - commandments between a person and their friend, like don't cheat, don't tell lashon hara, give tzedaka. Chaver means "friend" in Hebrew)

Who is the "chaver" in "chavero"?

Are these referring to family and friends in the strict sense? My boss and coworkers? My community? My Jewish community? Enemies? All Jews? Everybody?
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Old 05-21-2013, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:39 PM
 
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Are these referring to family and friends in the strict sense? My boss and coworkers? My community? My Jewish community? Enemies? All Jews? Everybody?
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I thought I should bump this thread up given the discussion in the "Ezras Nashim" thread. Iwishiwerethin seems to believe that the "bein adam lechavero" laws, which describe ethical conduct between people, only applies to other Torah-observant Jews, and that Reform, Conservative, and secular Jews as well as non-Jews do not deserve these laws. What do others think? What is the scope of these laws?

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Suppose you ordered an electric shaver from a store, and by accident the store sent you two shavers. Would you return the second shaver? Would your answer depend on who owns the store?

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Old 02-24-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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I thought I should bump this thread up given the discussion in the "Ezras Nashim" thread. Iwishiwerethin seems to believe that the "bein adam lechavero" laws, which describe ethical conduct between people, only applies to other Torah-observant Jews, and that Reform, Conservative, and secular Jews as well as non-Jews do not deserve these laws. What do others think? What is the scope of these laws?
Take it up with G-d. They're His laws. Not mine. And there's a difference between Jews who don't know better and those who deliberately sin. So stick to the truth without twisting the Torah.

Rule of thumb: When the Torah uses the words "your brother" or "your nation" they refer to laws between Jew and Jew (those who keep the laws and aren't deniers). Everything else refers to everybody.

Jews have a choice; they can want in or out. You can't opt for out and expect to be accepted like "in."
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