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Old 06-19-2013, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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Originally Posted by Joint heir with jesus View Post
If I was to play devil's advocate in debate with you guys (not my initial intention coming here- I wanted to speak directly to Israeli Jews) I would say that, maybe, you have gotten hung up on unfulfilled prophecies. Were you aware that there are some 6,408 prophecies in the Bible: 3,268 have been fulfilled while another 3,140 more are as yet UNFULFILLED or are currently being fulfilled. Maybe some of them were NOT MEANT to be fulfilled by the Messiah until the time of the gentiles is completely fulfilled itself. Future events can not come to pass until man's sinful history takes its course. I'm curious, does it say specifically in the Torah that ALL of these things must take place BEFORE the Messiah is revealed?

Do you believe you are sinners or that since there is no life after death it doesn't matter?
Thanks!
So are you saying that G-d lied about the Messiah? That's the basis of Christianity, but not of Judaism.

 
Old 06-19-2013, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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If the messianic prophecies have not been fulfilled, then the messiah has not come.
It really is that simple.

As I said, it is the fulfillment of these prophesies that will allow us to identify the messiah.
What are the messianic prophecies that need to be fulfilled in order for the messiah to feel welcome?

Of course, if there are thousands of prophecies, I don't expect you to list them all. Just a few important ones.

Thanks.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 08:13 AM
 
Location: among the chaos
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If I was to play devil's advocate in debate with you guys (not my initial intention coming here- I wanted to speak directly to Israeli Jews)
Thanks!
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Thanks you guys, I'm learning a lot!

I have seen this before. Joint heir with jesus is trying to bait you into his little game of 'tag'.

However, I am enjoying the information and kindness you are offering him.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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What are the messianic prophecies that need to be fulfilled in order for the messiah to feel welcome?

Of course, if there are thousands of prophecies, I don't expect you to list them all. Just a few important ones.

Thanks.
You mean like the ones I listed here?
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Rebuilding the Temple, gathering all Jews to Israel, re-establishing the Davidic monarchy, ushering in world peace, spreading Torah to the world...

In other words, the ones that will the distinguish the messiah as the messiah.

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Old 06-19-2013, 09:24 AM
 
Location: among the chaos
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offering him.
...or her. No offense meant.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I believe the Jewish members have adequately presented their views. No point in carrying on a game of tag and best to end things on a Peaceful note, before this becomes an attempt to proselytize Christianity.


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