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Old 07-06-2013, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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I believe Mightqueen was joking.
Of course I was, and I believe theflipflop knew that but just took the opportunity to say what he wanted to say.
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Old 07-06-2013, 10:31 PM
 
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Christianity is not a sect of Judaism. You could argue that Ebionites, who see Jesus as the messiah but NOT God, and who follow the Judaism of the Pharisees, as Jewish. But other kinds of Christianity, including "Messianic Judaism" are not Jewish.
That is correct. The only reason to attempt to connect Judaism and Chrstianity, two entirely unrelated belief systems, is to mooch some respect onto Chrstianity by using deceptive words in an attempt to lend credibility to Chrstianity. Not cool that guy Paul.
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Old 08-04-2013, 08:44 PM
 
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Christianity is not a sect of Judaism. You could argue that Ebionites, who see Jesus as the messiah but NOT God, and who follow the Judaism of the Pharisees, as Jewish. But other kinds of Christianity, including "Messianic Judaism" are not Jewish.
I know a lady who is Messianic and feels Jewish due to her grandma being Jewish. Somehow she found a Messianic congregation which has now closed so she goes to the Orthodox and feels the connection of the Jewish teachings, but she doesn't follow anything but the reading, I think. It's in her heart and soul.
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:12 AM
 
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I don't think I would describe it being "called", but I do think that some of us are certainly drawn toward Judaism. For me, there came a point in my studies where I started to see things through a more Jewish perspective and I felt like it was the only place I could feel at home. While people convert for many reasons, I do think think that some of us, for what ever reason, identify most strongly with it.

It's written that every Jew who "ever was, is, or will be" was present at Sinai, which would include those of us who choose to become Jewish. I don't know; maybe we're born with Jewish souls.

Doesn't HaShem say that He will gather Israel from the four corners of the earth?...Would that include descendants of Jews who were forced to convert in various ways and eventually lost their identities?...
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:16 AM
 
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I doubt G-d wants more people to become Jews. We just need to be better at being Jews. If you're non Jewish, you're most likely fine the way you are. It's only the very rare and very special gentile who is a real candidate for becoming Jewish.

So how does the Jewish population become like the stars of the heavens?...
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:21 AM
 
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God calls no man- Man must call to God.

What about Abram?...
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:22 AM
 
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Being part of the old Jewish sect called Christianity...is as close as I am going to get.

You mean the people of the Way...
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:29 AM
 
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Christianity is not a sect of Judaism. You could argue that Ebionites, who see Jesus as the messiah but NOT God, and who follow the Judaism of the Pharisees, as Jewish. But other kinds of Christianity, including "Messianic Judaism" are not Jewish.

I would say that The Way began as a sect of Judaism, just as Pharasee, Zealots, Essenes and Sadducces, and ended up being severely Hellinized and Westernized...As far as Yeshua is concerned, He was not the only one referred to as Mashiach...
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:58 AM
 
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So how does the Jewish population become like the stars of the heavens?...
According to chazal (our Jewish sages), that passage refers to the mitzvos we do - not the number of Jews. We become like the stars of the heavens by performing mitzvos, which is the only sure thing that brings us closer to Hashem.
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Old 08-08-2013, 05:45 PM
 
Location: USA (dying to live in Canada)
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Christianity is not a sect of Judaism. You could argue that Ebionites, who see Jesus as the messiah but NOT God, and who follow the Judaism of the Pharisees, as Jewish. But other kinds of Christianity, including "Messianic Judaism" are not Jewish.
Christianity started as an early Jewish sect. Messianic Jews are Jews who believe in Jesus as the Messiah based on from the Messianic Prophecies from the Hebrew Bible and Hebrew Scriptures. Messianic Jews are not Christians because they are not baptized, nor do they go to church or celebrate Christian holidays. Messianic Jews believe that you could still be Jewish and believe in Jesus because the Jews were originally God's chosen people but no longer unless you believe in Jesus Christ.
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