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Old 07-14-2013, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The Conservative movement certainly allows for that.



It could be worse. We have a single synagogue (it happens to be Conservative) that serves a huge chunk of south-central NC. It's a half-hour drive for me. The next closest is an hour and a half away in Raleigh.
Well, howdy there neighbor. I'm in Raleigh. :-) There are actually quite a few shuls in this area considering that we are a small-ish city. We have 2-4 in each part of the Triangle...even fringe groups like Reconstruction and Renewal...whatever that is. :-)
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Old 07-14-2013, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Well, howdy there neighbor. I'm in Raleigh. :-) There are actually quite a few shuls in this area considering that we are a small-ish city. We have 2-4 in each part of the Triangle...even fringe groups like Reconstruction and Renewal...whatever that is. :-)
I envy you that. I keep telling my wife that we need to make a couple of weekend trips up there so I can go other synagogues (even though the Orthodox won't count me as part of minyan since I'm a Conservative convert). My synagogue is the only one I've attended.

Small world, ain't it?
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Old 07-14-2013, 06:42 PM
 
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I envy you that. I keep telling my wife that we need to make a couple of weekend trips up there so I can go other synagogues (even though the Orthodox won't count me as part of minyan since I'm a Conservative convert). My synagogue is the only one I've attended.

Small world, ain't it?
I know exactly how you feel. We bought a small farm a handful of years ago in a very rural county that was about as far from Raleigh as you are...but out in the middle of nowhere. It was then that I realized how necessary a Jewish community was. I know it's weird but I never really realized it until then. We didn't last very long and moved back to the "city" such that it is.

If you end up going to Chabad of Cary you should let me know and maybe we could go on the same Shabbat. I promise not to shake your hand!

It would be interesting for my husband to meet you. He grew up in a Christian home and is considering conversion. I know we'd both be interested to hear about the path that brought you to that point.
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Old 07-14-2013, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I know exactly how you feel. We bought a small farm a handful of years ago in a very rural county that was about as far from Raleigh as you are...but out in the middle of nowhere. It was then that I realized how necessary a Jewish community was. I know it's weird but I never really realized it until then. We didn't last very long and moved back to the "city" such that it is.

If you end up going to Chabad of Cary you should let me know and maybe we could go on the same Shabbat. I promise not to shake your hand!

It would be interesting for my husband to meet you. He grew up in a Christian home and is considering conversion. I know we'd both be interested to hear about the path that brought you to that point.
If I ever get to make it up that way I'll let you know.

I'm really interested in going to a Modern Orthodox synagogue and talking to the rabbi. I'm a more "conservative" Conservative; as part of my conversion, I promised to follow all 613 mitzvot and to live a Jewish life. I believe that all laws are binding, and often take issue with he ways Conservative rabbis come to their decisions. I'm one of the guys that would keep completely kosher and walk to shul if it was possible given my current situation. But, at the same time, I also often take issue with the weight minhagim is given in Orthodoxy.

Kind of a catch 22.
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Old 07-14-2013, 07:09 PM
 
Location: small Southern town balabusta
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I'm also in the south. My husband is a gentile, and if I push him to convert, he will never do so. I haven't been to shul that much lately so I can barely call myself Jewish with any credibility - but I'm Conservative also.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:41 AM
 
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If I ever get to make it up that way I'll let you know.

I'm really interested in going to a Modern Orthodox synagogue and talking to the rabbi. I'm a more "conservative" Conservative; as part of my conversion, I promised to follow all 613 mitzvot and to live a Jewish life. I believe that all laws are binding, and often take issue with he ways Conservative rabbis come to their decisions. I'm one of the guys that would keep completely kosher and walk to shul if it was possible given my current situation. But, at the same time, I also often take issue with the weight minhagim is given in Orthodoxy.

Kind of a catch 22.
Is there actually a Modern Orthodox in the Triangle? I thought they were all Chabad? Here is a listing of all the synagogues in the Triangle: Synagogues | JHFNC

I have to google something practically every conversation I have on here. LOL! What is minhagim? Something to do with a minyan? (I know what that is...)
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:48 AM
 
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I'm also in the south. My husband is a gentile, and if I push him to convert, he will never do so. I haven't been to shul that much lately so I can barely call myself Jewish with any credibility - but I'm Conservative also.
One big happy family, I guess. :-) I have grown to love the south. It was a hard transition for me, though, culturally speaking. But there is a lot to recommend southern culture.

Pushing anyone to convert is not a good idea. I'm kind of a pushy person...not that I force anyone to think the way I do, I just have a hard time with ambiguity and like decisions to be made and doors to be closed so I can move on. I strongly believe in autonomy and that people should come to their own conclusions following their own path...I guess I just tend to run down the path rather than walk. I'd rather get to a dead end and turn around then work slowly through things. I have to fight that instinct to not push my husband into making that decision. He is much slower to come to conclusion (and much more thorough, to his credit) than I am. I am trying to be purposeful in my prayers for him personally and for us as a family. These are difficult issues to deal with.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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Is there actually a Modern Orthodox in the Triangle? I thought they were all Chabad? Here is a listing of all the synagogues in the Triangle: Synagogues | JHFNC
Not that I know of. The only one I've seen listed as "Orthodox" is cross-listed as Chabad. One of my friend's family still lives in NewYork, and his daughter (a Conservative rabbi) and son-in-law attend a MO synagogue. They come down pretty often to visit my friend, and we talk when they're here.

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I have to google something practically every conversation I have on here. LOL! What is minhagim? Something to do with a minyan? (I know what that is...)
Minhagim are the customs and traditions that we incorporate into our lives, like covering our heads or not eating rice on Pesach. While they're not actual law, they are typically seen as binding. But, unlike most laws, they are also able to be reversed or thrown-out in certain cases. And some, in my opinion, are due for some serious updating.
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Old 07-15-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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While they're not actual law, they are typically seen as binding.
Because minhagim are considered Oral Torah in its purest form.

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I have to google something practically every conversation I have on here. LOL! What is minhagim?
Minhagim are traditional customs. For example: Ashkenazim will not eat kitniyos on Passover. Kitniyos are beans and seeds, not chometz per se, but still off-limits for ashkenazim.

Playing dreidel on Chanuka is another minhag.

Although many minhagim are universal, they may vary from communinty to community and family to family.

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Old 07-15-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Not that I know of. The only one I've seen listed as "Orthodox" is cross-listed as Chabad. One of my friend's family still lives in NewYork, and his daughter (a Conservative rabbi) and son-in-law attend a MO synagogue. They come down pretty often to visit my friend, and we talk when they're here.



Minhagim are the customs and traditions that we incorporate into our lives, like covering our heads or not eating rice on Pesach. While they're not actual law, they are typically seen as binding. But, unlike most laws, they are also able to be reversed or thrown-out in certain cases. And some, in my opinion, are due for some serious updating.
I totally relate to this. I think these things are the reason so many Jews have a hard time with being observant...much of it seems superfluous. So we throw the whole thing away because there is no in-between. This is the one issue that keeps my husband from conversion. He knows that as a convert he would be making a commitment to abide by these things that he sees as irrelevant. And he takes his word very seriously. I, OTOH, don't feel as compelled to worry about the traditions because I don't have to make any commitment in order to be let "in the club."

What I want is a visionary, intelligent rabbi who takes G-d and Torah seriously, and is actively looking for a way to be observant in modernity.
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