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Old 08-20-2013, 03:33 PM
 
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How do they exist in your community since involvement of women in formal religious ceremonies is prohibited.
We may be talking about two different things. When a girl reaches the appropriate age, she is a Bas Mitzvah whether she has a ceremony or not. Many girls choose not to have one. The ones who do, typically will have a community sueda (festive meal) motzei Shabbos, attended by their girlfriends and the women of the community. My wife tells me the girl will usually speak at some point in the night, on a Torah subject - likely one she has learned with the rebbitzen over the last several months. The father of the Bas Mitzvah and any brothers may show up for a limited amount of time as well. That's about it. The focus is on Torah and the girl's journey into the next phases of her Jewish life.

Obviously the girl is not called to the Torah (chas v' shalom) or forced to do any other similar untzniusdik activities. So I suppose you are correct in that there is no formal religious ceremony. Still, that doesn't mean she can't be recognized for being a Bas Mitzvah and celebrate accordingly.
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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My niece just had her Bat Mitzva celebration at a Chabad (which is an ultra-orthodox group) center. She made a little speech about what she learned in preparation and what it measn to be Jewish for her. Then she read the Shabbat prayer "Pious Woman" as well as "I believe". She also spoke about the torah portion of the week and called up to participate and read other prayers in English and Hebrew, her grandparents, her aunts & uncles and her parents. After the ceremony, a kosher Chinese-style meal was served to the guests at the center.
Yeah, Chabad is a unique organization. While I don't necessarily agree with their entire worldview, they are typically great at outreach and finding ways to include people. Was the group itself Chabad, or were they just using the Chabad center?
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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We may be talking about two different things. When a girl reaches the appropriate age, she is a Bas Mitzvah whether she has a ceremony or not. Many girls choose not to have one. The ones who do, typically will have a community sueda (festive meal) motzei Shabbos, attended by their girlfriends and the women of the community. My wife tells me the girl will usually speak at some point in the night, on a Torah subject - likely one she has learned with the rebbitzen over the last several months. The father of the Bas Mitzvah and any brothers may show up for a limited amount of time as well. That's about it. The focus is on Torah and the girl's journey into the next phases of her Jewish life.

Obviously the girl is not called to the Torah (chas v' shalom) or forced to do any other similar untzniusdik activities. So I suppose you are correct in that there is no formal religious ceremony. Still, that doesn't mean she can't be recognized for being a Bas Mitzvah and celebrate accordingly.
Yes we were are and you should have emphasized it to start with.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:12 PM
 
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what does untzniusdik mean
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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what does untzniusdik mean
Immodest or not proper.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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what does untzniusdik mean
untzniusdik means not tzniusdik which comes from the word tznius. Which relates to modesty and privacy. Thus it means not modest (adjective).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzniut
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:11 PM
 
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I once was invited to a Bat-Mitzvah (when a girl becomes 12 years old). There were no men around, only women. Very strange to me. It was the daughter of the Chabad Rabbi that was at the congregation. I don't know what they are allowed to wear (like clothing) or use (like perfume), so I sent her a check in the mail. I never got a formal "thank you" in the mail or even in person. And this was like 3-5 years ago.
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Old 08-21-2013, 08:05 PM
 
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Yeah, Chabad is a unique organization. While I don't necessarily agree with their entire worldview, they are typically great at outreach and finding ways to include people. Was the group itself Chabad, or were they just using the Chabad center?
The Bat-Mitzva took place at the Chabad Center and the Chabad Rabbi of the Center hosted the ceremony.
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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A bar mitzvah boy, who became popular in the United States after
releasing a bar mitzvah video in which he is seen dancing with scantily clad
women, has donated thousands of dollars to Israeli children in need.
Bar mitzvah boy who became famous for dancing with girls donates $36,000 for Israeli youth village
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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My friend went to her great-niece's Bat-Mitzva and came home annoyed. She said the girl sang John Lennon's Imagine, which includes the phrase, "Imagine no religion..."

I would find that a curious choice for such an event as well.
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