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Old 08-24-2013, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Instructions:
Computer on Shabbat

Keyboard:
Shabbat Keyboard

Lexicon:
Zomet Lexicon

Software:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_NaturallySpeaking

 
Old 08-25-2013, 09:34 AM
 
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Forbidden to Jews who guard the Torah. Permitted by those who abrogate the Torah.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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Those instructions provided may possibly be helpful in a situation of pikuak nefesh (saving a life). Short of that, anyone attempting to guard the Torah's mitzvos should avoid the computer entirely on Shabbos.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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Those instructions provided may possibly be helpful in a situation of pikuak nefesh (saving a life). Short of that, anyone attempting to guard the Torah's mitzvos should avoid the computer entirely on Shabbos.
Computers are now intertwined with saving life. Example if a hospitals computer server stops working on Shabbat then everything in every room that is connected to the system in one way or another may stop working. Thus if I have to log in to computer system to repair it then according to you I've violated the Shabbat. But in my world, I've preserved life. So which one, Shabbat or Life? Please no magilla. Choose.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 12:58 PM
 
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You'll need to ask a shaila of a qualified Posek to answer your scenario above. It could be that your limited case is permissible.

Browsing your computer via voice activated commands on Shabbos to see the latest juice on city data would clearly not be permissible.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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You'll need to ask a shaila of a qualified Posek to answer your scenario above. It could be that your limited case is permissible.

Browsing your computer via voice activated commands on Shabbos to see the latest juice on city data would clearly not be permissible.
Its Sunday call yours and ask and see what he tells you. I read for pleasure (Magen Avraham). My newspapers are all electronic. Me I'm waiting to board my flight to Israel in a few minutes. My section has Wi-Fi and Ethernet connections, so in a couple of hours I'll know how well it works over the Atlantic.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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Forbidden to Jews who guard the Torah. Permitted by those who abrogate the Torah.
Go to the Zomet site. It'll come up in Hebrew. Use google to translate the articles. Automatically saying "No" to everything is closed minded. Open, Translate, Read and then comment.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 01:46 PM
 
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Its Sunday call yours and ask and see what he tells you. I read for pleasure (Magen Avraham). My newspapers are all electronic. Me I'm waiting to board my flight to Israel in a few minutes. My section has Wi-Fi and Ethernet connections, so in a couple of hours I'll know how well it works over the Atlantic.
Not my shaila. It's yours. I choose not to use my computer on Shabbos, as B'H, I have no life saving reason to do so. Where you need to be careful, is placing stumbling blocks in front of blind men. You have an uber-limited case where, perhaps, it's permissible to use your computer in a limited fashion on Shabbos (perhaps not), and so you claim it's permissible to use one's computer on Shabbos using voice command software, as if that's some sort of heter (rabbinic permissibility). What if one of our esteemed Jewish posters now believes they too can use their computer on Shabbos because they know a Jew who says it's permissible? Clearly many of us here would never fall for that trap. But others just might, and then you'll be responsible for causing them to desecrate the Shabbos. Not cool.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 04:32 PM
 
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... What if one of our esteemed Jewish posters now believes they too can use their computer on Shabbos because they know a Jew who says it's permissible? Clearly many of us here would never fall for that trap. But others just might, and then you'll be responsible for causing them to desecrate the Shabbos. Not cool.

Why can't you simply discuss anything? Why does everything need to be exactly your way or it completely wrong? Why do you need to Personal Attack nearly everyone on this forum? I haven't suggested anything to anyone. Each person has freedom of will to make a choice. The Zomet site I supplied is Kosher. The name of the forum is Judaism. The name is not Orthodox Judaism. This is Elul, yet you act and do the complete opposite of the way this period of is supposed to be. YOU ARE NOT A RABBI. STOP ACTING AS IF YOU ARE ONE. This is an open discussion forum and not a soap box for you to spout hate. Enough.

Back to my in-flight movie and B"H I'm not on ELAL.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 06:25 PM
 
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