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Old 11-06-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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As I stated previously, I was under the impression that a Jew that converts is no longer a Jew. But Iwish seemed to disagree with that.
A Jew who converts is a meshumad (apostate) and is treated as such. For instance, a meshumid will not be buried in a Jewish cemetery. He cannot free himself of his Jewishness, ever. I'd compare it to a sex change. One can become a mutilated male or female, but will always remain his original gender biologically.
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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So you're saying our eminent Judaic scholar TFF is wrong and the Torah does not in fact say that converts cease to be Jews.
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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So you're saying our eminent Judaic scholar TFF is wrong and the Torah does not in fact say that converts cease to be Jews.
Iwish and I are not disagreeing. Technically, they might still be Jewish. In all practical matters, however, they are no longer a member of the tribe. And in practice, they are usually shunned as well. It's spiritual suicide for a Jew to become another religion. They give up their Olam Haba (world to come) with the choice to worship man gods. Becoming a Muslim is not nearly as problematic since Muslims are monotheistic.
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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Technically, they might still be Jewish.
What do you mean by this? The historical rabbis were able to come up with a decision that said YOU SHALL NOT TURN ON A LIGHT SWITCH DURING THE SABBATH but couldn't come up with a definitive answer regarding apostasy and heresy? I find that very strange.

For example, if a Orthodox Jewish woman converts to Hinduism & marries a Hindu. Is the child of this union "Jewish" according to orthodox doctrine?

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Old 11-06-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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What do you mean by this?
I do not believe our sages agreed if an apostate remains Jewish or not. If you truly want to understand this, then you should reach out to a posek (an Orthodox rabbi who is a halachic decider). I doubt there is a one size fits all with your question.
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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Fair enough. Maybe you should bring it up next time you're in class and your rabbi can give his opinion. The chances of me talking to a posek are highly unlikely.

I honestly do think there is a concrete answer to this question. Religions like to keep track of who is in & who is out. The first documented census was done by Moses at god's command, if I recall correctly.
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:05 PM
 
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For example, if a Orthodox Jewish woman converts to Hinduism & marries a Hindu. Is the child of this union "Jewish" according to orthodox doctrine?
Yes, the child is Jewish.

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I honestly do think there is a concrete answer to this question.
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Old 11-06-2013, 05:22 PM
 
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http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/45132/jewish/What-Makes-a-Jew-Jewish.htm
http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/beingjewish.htm
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