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Old 11-06-2013, 07:55 PM
 
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Thanks, but I can never become Chasidic, so no worries. There is no hope for me ever to be even really Jewish.
The day is nearly over and tomorrow is a new day. The future is always a blank slate waiting to be written on. You can be as Jewish as you are comfortable with. Who knows, you may become Baal Teshuva sometime in the future.
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Old 11-09-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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Can we stick to the OT please?
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Old 11-09-2013, 05:51 PM
 
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Gerim refers to a group of converts(the suffix often indicating a plural). Hence, I assumed Ger means convert, and indeed I have seen it in the context of Reform Judaism as well.

No. Giyurim does. Hence the path this thread took. If your title were different then it might have taken the path you intended. BTW FYI FWIW tangents are allowable on C-D as long as they are related (indirectly or directly) to the topic. So for your next thread, please attempt to be more concise in your heading as well as in the body of your OP.

Also BTW using OT in the R&S forum mean Old Testament. Thus OP is more generally used to signify Original Post.
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Old 11-09-2013, 07:55 PM
 
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No. Giyurim does. Hence the path this thread took. If your title were different then it might have taken the path you intended. BTW FYI FWIW tangents are allowable on C-D as long as they are related (indirectly or directly) to the topic. So for your next thread, please attempt to be more concise in your heading as well as in the body of your OP.

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Jewish teaching is very clear on the subject of Gerim (converts), who are to be considered Jews in every respect. It is also clear that some Jews, especially those of an orthodox or Israeli background, feel that a convert is not a “real” Jew. They will admit that a Ger usually knows more about Judaism than many born Jews. They also often confess that Gerim practice more Judaism in their homes and in the synagogue then they themselves do. Yet they insist that Gerim are not “really” Jewish.
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Old 11-09-2013, 09:04 PM
 
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Jewish teaching is very clear on the subject of Gerim (converts), who are to be considered Jews in every respect. It is also clear that some Jews, especially those of an orthodox or Israeli background, feel that a convert is not a “real” Jew. They will admit that a Ger usually knows more about Judaism than many born Jews. They also often confess that Gerim practice more Judaism in their homes and in the synagogue then they themselves do. Yet they insist that Gerim are not “really” Jewish.
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You slander Orrhodox Jews with that statement. When someone goes thru an Orthodox Jewish conversion process with an acceptable beis din, their neshama is reborn and they are 100% Jewish. There are a few converts in my shul, and in exactly no way are they treated as any different than the other Yidden in the shul.

When a convert comes into the shul who converted thru a reform or conservative process, they are told the truth that they are not Jewish and are not called to the Torah nor are they counted in a minyan. It would be a lie to do otherwise.
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Old 11-09-2013, 09:10 PM
 
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Jewish teaching is very clear on the subject of Gerim (converts), who are to be considered Jews in every respect. It is also clear that some Jews, especially those of an orthodox or Israeli background, feel that a convert is not a “real” Jew. They will admit that a Ger usually knows more about Judaism than many born Jews. They also often confess that Gerim practice more Judaism in their homes and in the synagogue then they themselves do. Yet they insist that Gerim are not “really” Jewish.
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I'm not Orthodox, so as long your converting for the right reasons and attempt to live by the rules of religion then there is nothing to be fearful of.

A copy and paste of an article is not a response to a post. But if you need a link, here you go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Judaism

In Hebrew, even phonetically there is no way to get Ger even without vowels to not get Giyur its גיור

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Old 11-09-2013, 09:12 PM
 
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A copy and paste of an article is not a response to a post. But if you need a link, here you go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Judaism

Hebrew:
גיורגיו
It's where I first encountered the term.
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Old 11-09-2013, 09:31 PM
 
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It's where I first encountered the term.
Now you know how to spell it correctly
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Old 11-09-2013, 09:33 PM
 
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You slander Orrhodox Jews with that statement. When someone goes thru an Orthodox Jewish conversion process with an acceptable beis din, their neshama is reborn and they are 100% Jewish. There are a few converts in my shul, and in exactly no way are they treated as any different than the other Yidden in the shul.

When a convert comes into the shul who converted thru a reform or conservative process, they are told the truth that they are not Jewish and are not called to the Torah nor are they counted in a minyan. It would be a lie to do otherwise.
In my opinion, I disagree that a person should not be counted in a minyan or called to the Torah if they have converted and follow the ways. I don't see why they are being prejudice towards them if they feel that their way is the Jewish way and they do all that is expected.
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Old 11-09-2013, 09:43 PM
 
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In my opinion, I disagree that a person should not be counted in a minyan or called to the Torah if they have converted and follow the ways. I don't see why they are being prejudice towards them if they feel that their way is the Jewish way and they do all that is expected.
What do you mean by "follow the ways?"
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