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Old 11-10-2013, 01:11 AM
 
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What can/should be done about it? How about abortions, teen pregnancies and violent crime?
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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All society has drug issues. But since you want to discuss Secular Jews then let's keep on arresting the Haredi/Orthodox drug dealers.

http://www.yourjewishnews.com/2013/07/n28011.html
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=184986
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/08/police-arrest-ultra-orthodox-jews-smuggling-million-cocaine-airport-drug-bust/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/10/drugsandalcohol.uk
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v98.n624.a10.html

Not so secular is it?

And now onto Israel. Abortions are legal in Israel under some circumstances, but are generally illegal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Israel

As to teen pregnancies in Israel, most are in the Orthodox community since they married so young.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/4515#.Un9xovmTh8E

Teen pregnancies nationally sit at around 2% with higher numbers being within non-Jewish communities.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12467189

And Crime rate? There is a minimal crime rate in Israel.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_com_by_you-crime-murders-committed-by-youths#source

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Old 11-10-2013, 10:06 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Drug abuse in secular Israeli Jewish society
First... define abuse.
Then compare and contrast that with use.

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How about abortions, teen pregnancies and violent crime?
Ever hear of contraception?
What are you doing to support it?
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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So this is what Chilonim do when they're bored:
Teen pregnancy, drug use and drinking on the rise in Israel Israel News | Haaretz
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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So what are the actual statistics from this the group called ELEM (Youth in Distress in Israel) based in NYC since neither the article or their website gives any. They just state there was an increase in 2010 (fyi this is 2013) but have no further updates since then. Plus the increase they quote combines Jews and Arabs.

http://elem.org/index.php
http://www.idealist.org/view/org/nj3nXK2xJh8d/
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=10011#.Un_-U_mTh8E

"ELEM is Israel's leading non-profit organization dedicated to the treatment and rehabilitation of abused, neglected, and adjudicated Jewish and Arab Israeli youth. The youth we serve face tremendous hurdles; many live below the poverty line or struggle to assimilate as new immigrant."
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:32 PM
 
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All society has drug issues. But since you want to discuss Secular Jews then let's keep on arresting the Haredi/Orthodox drug dealers.

http://www.yourjewishnews.com/2013/07/n28011.html
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=184986
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/08/police-arrest-ultra-orthodox-jews-smuggling-million-cocaine-airport-drug-bust/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/10/drugsandalcohol.uk
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v98.n624.a10.html

Not so secular is it?

And now onto Israel. Abortions are legal in Israel under some circumstances, but are generally illegal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Israel

As to teen pregnancies in Israel, most are in the Orthodox community since they married so young.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/4515#.Un9xovmTh8E

Teen pregnancies nationally sit at around 2% with higher numbers being within non-Jewish communities.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12467189

And Crime rate? There is a minimal crime rate in Israel.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_com_by_you-crime-murders-committed-by-youths#source

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Back in the mid 1990s, I visited NYC and surrounding boroughs. I went into a town or street in Brooklyn, where all the Jewish shops are as well as restaurants and you name it. So many young, young kids....and I say kids were pushing baby strollers. I was shocked and amazed how young they look to even have a kid~! I grew up where you go to school, including college and get yourself a good job in your field. And afterwards, then you marry and have kids. Too many kids nowadays don't have the education because they have a kid and can't continue their education to better themselves. It isn't just happening in the Jewish faith but in all faiths now, including all colors of people that they have kids. Most are out of wedlock now, but education isn't valued as it was when I grew up~!
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:13 PM
 
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Back in the mid 1990s, I visited NYC and surrounding boroughs. I went into a town or street in Brooklyn, where all the Jewish shops are as well as restaurants and you name it. So many young, young kids....and I say kids were pushing baby strollers. I was shocked and amazed how young they look to even have a kid~! I grew up where you go to school, including college and get yourself a good job in your field. And afterwards, then you marry and have kids. Too many kids nowadays don't have the education because they have a kid and can't continue their education to better themselves. It isn't just happening in the Jewish faith but in all faiths now, including all colors of people that they have kids. Most are out of wedlock now, but education isn't valued as it was when I grew up~!

I am sure that those were girls who married very young but I also want to say that I can't count the times that I have been mistaken for the mother of a child that I was with (niece, cousin, etc.).

As a teen I was always shocked and offended when people assumed I was the mother.
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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I am sure that those were girls who married very young but I also want to say that I can't count the times that I have been mistaken for the mother of a child that I was with (niece, cousin, etc.).

As a teen I was always shocked and offended when people assumed I was the mother.
And the same goes for when I mistakenly asked a lady I worked with if that was her sister, since she frequently brought her in or she came after school. Turned out to be it was her daughter.
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Back in the mid 1990s, I visited NYC and surrounding boroughs. I went into a town or street in Brooklyn, where all the Jewish shops are as well as restaurants and you name it. So many young, young kids....and I say kids were pushing baby strollers. I was shocked and amazed how young they look to even have a kid~!
If I had to venture a guess, you walked into a Hasidic neighborhood. Most are married by their late teens. Here's a little reading.


Hasidic Women Feel Pressure for Children, But Fathers Fret About Providing
Hasidic childbirth customs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hasidic Jew Runs Away From Her Orthodox Roots After Arranged Marriage, Child - ABC News
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Old 11-10-2013, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Firstly, Couldn't you just type secular Jews instead of typing "Chilonim"? Why add a level of confusion for the general public by using a Hebrew word that most would not understand what the word meant.

Secondly, I've already quoted proof that many drug dealers are Orthodox Jews. So now here is what the Orthodox kids when they are bored.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J233v03n03_02#.UoBW4_mTh8E
http://www.jewishjournal.com/world/article/orthodox_alcohol_drug_abuse_rising_20060317
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/alcohol-and-drugs-in-the-jewish-community-the-problems-few-can-see/2012/06/27/0/?print
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