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Old 11-14-2013, 03:25 PM
 
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The example of the OP, he'd be rejected 100% of the time in front of a proper beis din. So whether he likes Judaism is irrelevant. He is not a candidate to become Jewish with his current hashkafo.
I guess you didn't get the point from my previous post as you once again use the word "proper" to describe an orthodox beis din. This implies any OTHER sort of beis din is "improper," which once again goes to show how you look down on everyone who is not up to your level of observance.

Sort of the inverse of what we're talking here, but still sort of funny - Any Proper Scotsman!
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:41 PM
 
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I recommend looking into the Bahai religion. It is one of the fastest growing religions, so there must be a good reason.
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Old 11-14-2013, 04:48 PM
 
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I guess you didn't get the point from my previous post as you once again use the word "proper" to describe an orthodox beis din. This implies any OTHER sort of beis din is "improper," which once again goes to show how you look down on everyone who is not up to your level of observance.

Sort of the inverse of what we're talking here, but still sort of funny - Any Proper Scotsman!
Don't confuse telling the truth for looking down. I owe it to you all to speak the truth.

Do reform and C even hold by daas Torah?
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:03 PM
 
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Da'as Torah (or Da'at Torah, Da'as Toyreh) - is a concept in Haredi Judaism according to which Jews should seek the input of rabbinic scholars not just on matters of Jewish law but on all important life matters, on the grounds that knowledge of the Torah aids everything in life.


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Old 11-14-2013, 06:24 PM
 
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Thanks for posting that definition.

One more question. Do Reform and Conservative have beis dinim, since they do not hold by daas Torah?

In my parents C shul, they tell me they really don't even need a rabbi, since they lay people are so educated and capable. Once you've dispensed with daas Torah, it's really only a short journey to dispensing with the Torah altogether.

Wait! The OP can convert Conservative. No need for Torah observance, and your fellow Jews will still tell you that you are Jewish. Problem solved. Just please don't come to my shul on a night when we only have 9 men.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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I think we'd all agree that the only way to be universally accepted as a Jew (via conversion) is to convert thru an Orthodox beis din. And an Orthodox beis din will reject your conversion unless you can prove you are living a life that includes observing all of the mitzvos. Furthermore, you must prove that your hashkafo (Jewish outlook) is on line with the Jewish people who have agreed to guard the Torah and it's mitzvos.

The example of the OP, he'd be rejected 100% of the time in front of a proper beis din. So whether he likes Judaism is irrelevant. He is not a candidate to become Jewish with his current hashkafo.

Who exactly is "We"? And where, outside of Israel, does universally actually matter?
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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Maybe this older article fits in some way

Israel considers question:

And maybe this thread

Are there any jewish converts?
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:24 PM
 
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"I Am Jewish" - YouTube
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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Thanks for posting that definition.

One more question. Do Reform and Conservative have beis dinim, since they do not hold by daas Torah?
Yes
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:04 PM
 
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Do reform and C even hold by daas Torah?
Your parents are Conservative and you haven't been a TOJ your entire life, so how would you not know the answer to this question??
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