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Old 11-13-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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I find Judaism to be, in many ways, a wonderful religion. The philosophies found within, the emphasis on community & education, Kabbalah, etc.

There have been many times, including very recently, where I found myself researching Judaism extensively with the intent of possibly converting. However, I always seem to stop and never go with it. So what stops me? Many passages from the Torah/"OT".

I always try to read religious/spiritual scriptures within the context of when they were written, but with as much good I can find in the Torah, I also find many despicable, barbaric passages as well. I then find myself in a dilemma: can I truly be part of a religion that I find in many ways to be beautiful, but also ignore many of the Torah's violent, out-dated verses and passages? Is that intellectually or spiritually ingenuous?
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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If you don't like the Torah, just don't convert.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:39 PM
 
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Do you really think that by changing your question to another format that we are so gullible to give you a better response than the last time you posted here?

Jewish-Buddhism.

Troll alert!
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:46 PM
 
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Do you really think that by changing your question to another format that we are so gullible to give you a better response than the last time you posted here?

Jewish-Buddhism.

Troll alert!
Okay then...

I'm not trolling. Instead of restarting that thread, I wanted to start a new one. Ever since posting that last thread, I tired to go full on into religious Buddhism, but it ended up not clicking with me.

So I made a thread about my interest in Judaism (which I suppose never went away), but with some internal issues I have with some passages and verses in the Torah. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:57 PM
 
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Don't you know that you can believe anything you want to? You do not have to call yourself Jewish or Baptist or what ever. It's what's in your heart, not what you read in a book somewhere.

You can go to church on Sunday or Saturday in any house of worship. Be Honest!! It doesn't do a thing for you to pretend that you think everything you see written in the Torah or Bible is wonderful.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:09 PM
 
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Okay then...

I'm not trolling. Instead of restarting that thread, I wanted to start a new one. Ever since posting that last thread, I tired to go full on into religious Buddhism, but it ended up not clicking with me.

So I made a thread about my interest in Judaism (which I suppose never went away), but with some internal issues I have with some passages and verses in the Torah. Nothing more. Nothing less.
You are trolling since the first five books of Moses are nearly the same as the Old Testament (some the wording has been changed to fit Christianity, but very similar).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament

The stories do not make up the religion, the 613 commandments do.

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm
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Old 11-14-2013, 01:22 AM
 
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I find Judaism to be, in many ways, a wonderful religion. The philosophies found within, the emphasis on community & education, Kabbalah, etc.

There have been many times, including very recently, where I found myself researching Judaism extensively with the intent of possibly converting. However, I always seem to stop and never go with it. So what stops me? Many passages from the Torah/"OT".

I always try to read religious/spiritual scriptures within the context of when they were written, but with as much good I can find in the Torah, I also find many despicable, barbaric passages as well. I then find myself in a dilemma: can I truly be part of a religion that I find in many ways to be beautiful, but also ignore many of the Torah's violent, out-dated verses and passages? Is that intellectually or spiritually ingenuous?
Read from Judaism itself (Torah) about how Judaism started, let's just say it had something to do with animal sacrifice and bisecting the carcass in half. Why can't you just be human. Why need a divisive religion at all. Will having a religion make you think you know or belong. Well your human nature says you don't know and already belong. What did you find in the Torah? Please be specific.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:58 AM
 
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It's not possible to become Jewish without agreeing to the entire Torah. A proper beis din will never approve your conversion until that occurs.

Google "B'nei Noah." For sure that should be good enough for you.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:16 AM
 
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You mean an orthodox beis din.
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Old 11-14-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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I think we'd all agree that the only way to be universally accepted as a Jew (via conversion) is to convert thru an Orthodox beis din. And an Orthodox beis din will reject your conversion unless you can prove you are living a life that includes observing all of the mitzvos. Furthermore, you must prove that your hashkafo (Jewish outlook) is on line with the Jewish people who have agreed to guard the Torah and it's mitzvos.

The example of the OP, he'd be rejected 100% of the time in front of a proper beis din. So whether he likes Judaism is irrelevant. He is not a candidate to become Jewish with his current hashkafo.
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