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Old 01-07-2014, 12:12 PM
 
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So I'm trying to understand two two things about the power these rabbis wield in ultra orthodox communities.


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1) Why is it necessary to come up with all of these absolutely insane proclamations when the Torah and the Talmud were already given to Moses on Sinai? If the Talmud, as Iwish and TFF were so adamant in pointing out earlier, explains how all Jews should observe the mitzvah in the Torah, why are any of these proclamations necessary and why are these rabbis able to make pronouncements/changes that were not necessary 1500 years ago.

2) How do these ultra orthodox communities have any support from reform, conservative or even mainline modern orthodox denominations? The amount of corruption, female oppression, and child abuse is sickening in these areas. I understand why insiders won't speak out against it as most of them are brainwashed and/or scared into silenced, but I would think that other Jews would take a harder stand against this kind of rampant abuse.

 
Old 01-07-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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You're getting your info from websites that hate Judaism. What proof do you have that the prevalence of child abuse is greater in Orthodox communities? You can't bring an accusation like that and not back it up with data to support your claim, right?
 
Old 01-07-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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Oh, and to answer the question titling this thread - daas Torah (you may need to google that term).

I don't think the Reform and Conservative Jews, as well as the goyim, believe in daas Torah. So my answer may sound foreign to you.
 
Old 01-07-2014, 01:24 PM
 
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You're getting your info from websites that hate Judaism. What proof do you have that the prevalence of child abuse is greater in Orthodox communities? You can't bring an accusation like that and not back it up with data to support your claim, right?
It's not greater than any other community, but it is extremely more covered up in Hasidic and Haredi communities compared to other Jewish communities.

Your data as requested:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/ny...anted=all&_r=0

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Old 01-07-2014, 01:31 PM
 
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Oh, and to answer the question titling this thread - daas Torah (you may need to google that term).

I don't think the Reform and Conservative Jews, as well as the goyim, believe in daas Torah. So my answer may sound foreign to you.
So all of the head ultraorthodox rabbis have daas Torah? Who's to say that their judgments are valid? Why are they considered infallible? What if one rabbi of one sect makes a judgment and another one disagrees with it? Who does it apply to? How come modern orthodox rabbis aren't making complete lunatic judgments?
 
Old 01-07-2014, 01:33 PM
 
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Where do (Hasidic/Haredi)* rabbis get this type of authority?
The same way a cult leader does. And What's worse it's passed down through family members.




* Had to add section due to body covering those sects.
 
Old 01-07-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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How come modern orthodox rabbis aren't making complete lunatic judgments?
Because they are paid employees of the congregation. Thus they can be fired.

You may like this article since it carries the son of a intermarriage and a rabbi.

http://roshpinaproject.com/tag/joseph-kolakowski/
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/video-of-guns-causes-unrest-in-jewish-community/article_b54ee96d-0ecf-5e77-819b-bc46c566e6b4.html

While a rabbi prayed in a Richmond synagogue, a group of Orthodox Jews passed around an AK-47 before a ceremony celebrating the end of the Sabbath.

FYI: the rabbi mentioned is in the video wearing a robe.
http://privateinvesigations.blogspot.com/2011/01/richmond-va-video-of-guns-in-orthodox.html
 
Old 01-07-2014, 02:27 PM
 
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The same way a cult leader does. And What's worse it's passed down through family members.
Well I definitely get that. I was just wondering if TFF or Iwish could help me understand his/her view on these types of pronouncements and how it is helpful to understanding the Torah.


That guy with the AK-47 was completely unhinged.
 
Old 01-07-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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You're getting your info from websites that hate Judaism.
Suuuure. Just like this one. The Jewish Daily Forward. The paper version that only comes in Yiddish.

http://forward.com/articles/146750/hasidic-gangs-battle-for-jerusalem/
 
Old 01-07-2014, 03:20 PM
 
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Well I definitely get that. I was just wondering if TFF or Iwish could help me understand his/her view on these types of pronouncements and how it is helpful to understanding the Torah.
I could, if you're ready to learn. For starters, you'd have to stop basing your questions based on information found on anti-semitic websites.
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