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Old 01-14-2014, 09:45 PM
 
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Old 01-14-2014, 09:49 PM
 
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Old 01-15-2014, 03:24 AM
 
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Are y'all really going to hijack yet another thread?
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Old 01-15-2014, 05:28 AM
 
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But you would agree they are both idol worshipers, lost their Jewish souls, and have no place in Olam Habah, right?
Messianics have lost their Olam Haba. I've never seen a proof that Lubavich worship idols. Nor do they believe Rav Schneerson was a god. A few of them simply think he might have been moschiach, who will be a regular man, not a celestial.
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Old 01-15-2014, 05:30 AM
 
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Are y'all really going to hijack yet another thread?
No! Let's go back to discussing the hippie nutbag in the OP.
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Old 01-15-2014, 05:45 AM
 
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No! Let's go back to discussing the hippie nutbag in the OP.
I don't think he's a nutbag, but I do think his work is being taken out of context. From what I've read (but granted I've not read any of his work), Dr. Boyarin is talking about various early Jewish movements that were found in the late Second Temple era. These included "Doomsday" cults, groups with messianic ideas that fell well outside the norm, and esoteric sects that were anything but mainstream. And, technically, all of them were Jewish groups.

But neither they nor the ideas they entertained survived into modern Christianity. That religion is much different that anything ancient Jewish sects might have once been, and it's not what Dr. Boyarin's book is about.
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Old 01-15-2014, 05:51 AM
 
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I don't think he's a nutbag, but I do think his work is being taken out of context. From what I've read (but granted I've not read any of his work), Dr. Boyarin is talking about various early Jewish movements that were found in the late Second Temple era. These included "Doomsday" cults, groups with messianic ideas that fell well outside the norm, and esoteric sects that were anything but mainstream. And, technically, all of them were Jewish groups.

But neither they nor the ideas they entertained survived into modern Christianity. That religion is much different that anything ancient Jewish sects might have once been, and it's not what Dr. Boyarin's book is about.
You are 100% correct, JB. What the OP does not realize, is that to do so is just another form if anti semitism. Since our current 3300 year religion can't be penetrated by these goyem, they seek to delegitimize us by attacking our forefathers and slandering us by saying the early Xhrstians were Jews and therefore today's Jews should agree with their attempts to legitimize Yushke as moschiach. The problem with Yushke, we Jews all know, is that he fulfilled exactly zero of the messianic prophesies.
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Old 01-15-2014, 07:28 AM
 
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You are 100% correct, JB. What the OP does not realize, is that to do so is just another form if anti semitism.
To do what?
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Since our current 3300 year religion can't be penetrated by these goyem,
Who are you talking about? Dr. Boyarin?
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Old 01-15-2014, 07:37 AM
 
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Let me be clearer. To attempt to legitimize a Jewish view that Jesus and Judaism are not mutually exclusive is anti semitism. Jews who believe in Jesus are no longer members of k'lal Yisroel.

The Berkely professor was presented by the OP as a Talmudic scholar. Are you kidding me? He's attempting to murder Jewish souls. He is neither a Talmudic scholar nor a Jew. He's a rasha. That's how these Messianics work. They infiltrate our communities by pretending to be Jews and then present heretical ideas as if they are normative Judaism.

Sadly, Jews who never received a proper Jewish education fall prey to these evil people, often at the cost of their Jewish souls. Look no further than this forum for multiple examples. If you people are not as angry as I am, then I don't know what to say.
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Old 01-15-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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The Berkely professor was presented by the OP as a Talmudic scholar. Are you kidding me? He's attempting to murder Jewish souls. He is neither a Talmudic scholar nor a Jew. He's a rasha. That's how these Messianics work. They infiltrate our communities by pretending to be Jews and then present heretical ideas as if they are normative Judaism.
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I'm curious as to what sources you are using to make this evaluation. Have you read any of his works, attended his lectures, or researched his views? Or is it based on the apparent faulty assumption that has already been made?
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