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Old 01-16-2014, 09:21 AM
 
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Are you insinuating non-orthodox schools believe in the oral Torah. If they do, why are they non-orthodox?
People choose to identify as "non-Orthodox" for a variety of reasons.
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:31 AM
 
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People choose to identify as "non-Orthodox" for a variety of reasons.
Such as...

Have you ever met an orthodox Jew who identified himself as non-orthodox?
Actually, the opposite does happen. You have non-orthodox who identify themselves as orthodox, just to garnish credibility with their audience.
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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What does "Lo bashamayim hi" mean to you?
It means when you have a question in halacha, e.g. if you ask your COMPETENT ORTHODOX RABBI who is well-versed in hilchas kashrus and would never deliberately make you eat treif, if the chicken you slaughtered is Kosher and he tells you it is, and it isn't really, the chicken is kosher and you have nothing to worry about.

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Only the Reform believe you can choose what to keep and what not to keep, none believe you don't have to keep anything. Conservative Jews believe you do have to keep all of it, even if most Conservative Jews only keep some of it.
So they don't believe in the Torah's divinity. If they would, they'd keep all of it. C'mon, they don't even keep Shabbos, so whom are you trying to fool?
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Such as...

Have you ever met an orthodox Jew who identified himself as non-orthodox?
Actually, the opposite does happen. You have non-orthodox who identify themselves as orthodox, just to garnish credibility with their audience.
Yes, I do know people who fully conform to the norms of the Orthodox Movement and yet refuse to be associated with it.

Some do it because they don't like any label, and want to just be Jewish.
Some because the hateful attitudes that can be seen from the fundamental of the movement.
Some do it because there isn't a synagogue affiliated with the Orthodox Movement near them.
Some do it because they disagree with the weight some minhag has been given.

Like most things concerning Jews, it is going to depend on the individual.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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JC, that doesn't answer the question:

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Have you ever met an orthodox Jew who identified himself as non-orthodox?
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:43 AM
 
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JC, that doesn't answer the question:
I clearly said yes, Iwish.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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There is a reform rabbi that I know of who is a strict vegetarian but takes issue with all the laws of kashrut. Not all objectors are objecting because it makes their life difficult or they just don't want to do something. There is such a thing as a intellectual/philosophical objection.
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Old 01-16-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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I clearly said yes, Iwish.
Yeah I thought your answer was quite clear as well...
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:12 PM
 
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There is a reform rabbi that I know of who is a strict vegetarian but takes issue with all the laws of kashrut. Not all objectors are objecting because it makes their life difficult or they just don't want to do something. There is such a thing as a intellectual/philosophical objection.
Issues with kashrus? Sounds like a problem with the "rabbi," Not with kashrus. I think you linked an article for us once before on that guy. His "issues" we're utter rubbish with no basis in Halacha.
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:19 PM
 
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I have an issue with rabbinic interpretation of kashrut. It's that it has been mutated from a very clear statement regarding pagan rituals into some ridiculous song and dance.
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