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Old 01-16-2014, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I have an issue with rabbinic interpretation of kashrut. It's that it has been mutated from a very clear statement regarding pagan rituals into some ridiculous song and dance.
Ditto.
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:31 PM
 
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I have an issue with rabbinic interpretation of kashrut. It's that it has been mutated from a very clear statement regarding pagan rituals into some ridiculous song and dance.
We've said this many times. What you think is irrelevant to the Halacha. If you choose not to follow it, you're liable whether your intellect likes the Halacha or not. You've pinpointed the problem with progressive Judaism. You place your personal intellect above the Torah, which invalidates the belief that Hashem is supreme.
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:32 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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No, I've pinpointed the problem with Orthodox Judaism. There is no problem with progressive Judaism.
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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No, I've pinpointed the problem with Orthodox Judaism. There is no problem with progressive Judaism.
The human head weighs 7 pounds.
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Such as...

Have you ever met an orthodox Jew who identified himself as non-orthodox?
Actually, the opposite does happen. You have non-orthodox who identify themselves as orthodox, just to garnish credibility with their audience.
Are you talking about Messianic Jews who call themselves Orthodox? Or maybe you're talking about Jews who follow halacha without compromise, who don't like the social baggage that comes with identifying with most Ashkenazi Orthodox communities. They are in fact small-o orthodox, but not capital-O.

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So they don't believe in the Torah's divinity. If they would, they'd keep all of it. C'mon, they don't even keep Shabbos, so whom are you trying to fool?
Who are you talking about? Most Conservative rabbis do believe in the Torah's divinity. It is a very Ashkenazi Orthodox attitude that if you don't keep all of the Torah, you must clearly be an apikorus (heretic). In Sephardic synagogues and in Israel, many people go to Orthodox synagogues, who may eat treif outside and break Shabbat, but they know it is wrong. They may simply not be at the madreiga (spiritual level) where they can keep everything. Now if you are talking about the Conservative rabbis specifically, most do keep Shabbat, and refrain from the 39 melachot (prohibited activities), including driving. They may follow R. Shlomo Zalman Auerbach's psak that electricity is not molid (making something new), boneh (building somethign), or makeh bapatish (striking the final hammer, or completing a product), but whatever they do has justification from halachic sources and is never a matter of ignoring or picking and choosing Torah laws.
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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Now if you are talking about the Conservative rabbis specifically, most do keep Shabbat, and refrain from the 39 melachot (prohibited activities), including driving. They may follow R. Shlomo Zalman Auerbach's psak that electricity is not molid (making something new), boneh (building somethign), or makeh bapatish (striking the final hammer, or completing a product), but whatever they do has justification from halachic sources and is never a matter of ignoring or picking and choosing Torah laws.
R' Shloma Zalman Aerbach would have never used electricity, nor would he have built anything, or struck a hammer on Shabbos, so stop demeaning this gadol by using him to condone chilul Shabbos. Conservative Rabbis do what reform Rabbis did 60 years ago.

See what I mean by pretending to be orthodox.
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Old 01-16-2014, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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See what I mean by pretending to be orthodox.

Then lets call Conservative Jews Modern Orthodox Jews with a twist.
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