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Old 02-03-2014, 07:52 PM
 
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Unravelling Tefillin-gate | Rabbi Avi Shafran

 
Old 02-03-2014, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Rabbi Isserles?Rabbi Meir?


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Almost all opposition to women wearing tefillin stems from one sentence attributed to Rabbi Meir of Rothenburg (d. 1293) which says that women should not wear tefillin “because they do not know how to keep themselves clean” or, according to another version, because “they do not know how to keep themselves in purity.” This lone opinion was later codified by Rabbi Moshe Isserles in his Ashkenazic glosses to the Shulchan Arukh (Orah Hayyim 38:3), but it contradicts the Babylonian Talmud and almost all Rishonim,
Now where in the Talmud does it state it?
 
Old 02-04-2014, 08:03 AM
 
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Simmer down, folks. Clearly women wearing tefillin is WAAAY outside of normal Jewish pracitce. It's simply not done in the Orthodox world, no matter the source. I doubt it's done much in the Conservative or Reform world either. Heck, the vast majority of men in those two movements don't even wear tefillin.

The true story here isn't that Orthodox women suddenly are wearing tefillin (because that's obviously not true), it's that the Conservative media outlets keep repeating this story. And why? I can only guess it's to either 1. impugn the orthodox movement, or 2. lend credibility to their own non Toradik egalitarian views.
 
Old 02-04-2014, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Simmer down, folks. Clearly women wearing tefillin is WAAAY outside of normal Jewish pracitce. It's simply not done in the Orthodox world, no matter the source. I doubt it's done much in the Conservative or Reform world either. Heck, the vast majority of men in those two movements don't even wear tefillin.

The true story here isn't that Orthodox women suddenly are wearing tefillin (because that's obviously not true), it's that the Conservative media outlets keep repeating this story. And why? I can only guess it's to either 1. impugn the orthodox movement, or 2. lend credibility to their own non Toradik egalitarian views.
First of all it doesn't matter how much it's happening as right now it's a small number, but that small number is growing. It's speed of growth can't be judged now, so basically we'll need to return to the subject in a few years to figure the statistical growth of it. As to the media attention, there would have little to none if the Haredi in Israel didn't make it bigger than it was by all the noise they made. Because of their childish actions, they brought it into the mainstream media news. I've never been to a shul where the men started yelling/screaming at women on the other side of the panel yet these yingermen (young TOJ's) felt it was fine to do at the Kotel.


FWIW IMO adding personal attacks on Conservative/Reform Jews was of no help to your statement as all it does is bring you a notch lower in the value of your comments. In the future try to stay on topic without having to resort to attacks on others.
 
Old 02-04-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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First of all it doesn't matter how much it's happening as right now it's a small number, but that small number is growing. It's speed of growth can't be judged now, so basically we'll need to return to the subject in a few years to figure the statistical growth of it. As to the media attention, there would have little to none if the Haredi in Israel didn't make it bigger than it was by all the noise they made. Because of their childish actions, they brought it into the mainstream media news. I've never been to a shul where the men started yelling/screaming at women on the other side of the panel yet these yingermen (young TOJ's) felt it was fine to do at the Kotel.


FWIW IMO adding personal attacks on Conservative/Reform Jews was of no help to your statement as all it does is bring you a notch lower in the value of your comments. In the future try to stay on topic without having to resort to attacks on others.
Stating the fact that the vast majority of Conservative and Reform Jews don't lay tefillin is an attack?
 
Old 02-04-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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Stating the fact that the vast majority of Conservative and Reform Jews don't lay tefillin is an attack?
Whatever you and I say is an attack. Get used to it.
 
Old 02-04-2014, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Laying tefillin while female

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"What’s too often missing from this conversation is the simple fact that these women don’t necessarily want to be activists and have no desire to antagonize anyone. They just want to pray"

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Overwhelming poskim are against women wearing Tefillim because of its kedusha factor. Men have also been ordered to wear Tefillin only during shachris for this reason alone.
Is it forbidden for men to wear tefillin outside of shacharit? What about when Chabad offers to put tefillin on passerbys?

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Well, now he just became conservadox.
This is the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Orthodox means always following halacha and believing in Torah miSinai. It does not mean somebody has to have the same hashkafah (Jewish outlook) and follow the same poskim (decisors of Jewish law) as iwishiwerethin or theflipflop.
 
Old 02-04-2014, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Stating the fact that the vast majority of Conservative and Reform Jews don't lay tefillin is an attack?
That's your response to the topic of the thread? A attempted Hijack?
 
Old 02-04-2014, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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We seem to be going off topic.

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