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Old 02-17-2014, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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..... I want to learn all the rituals and prayers that my ancestors did before moving to America.
Being Reform, Conservative or Orthodox in the US is not going to give you that. In the US you'd get different variants of the rituals, but unless you go to a synagogue with a largely elderly population you're going to end up with a Americanized Yiddishized version.

To give you an example: For the preparation of my Bar Mitzvah I was trained in the US by Americanized Ger Hasidim. When I arrived in Israel the Ger Hasidim there nearly had a fit as the words were pronounced incorrectly and the melody was completely off. I spent nearly a month from sun up to sleep time re-learning everything. When they knew I had it right by their standards, they rewarded me with my Bar Mitzvah at the Kotel for all to hear.

There's much more to the rituals then just becoming Orthodox.
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Old 02-17-2014, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Lake Worth, FL
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Rewarded you with your Bar Mitzvah? You are Bar Mitzvah from the day you turn 13. Could the Hasidim not allow you that inevitable right?
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Old 02-17-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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There's much more to the rituals then just becoming Orthodox.
True, but you have to admit the American Orthodox does a better job of preserving rituals than the non-orthodox American Shuls.
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Old 02-17-2014, 11:30 AM
 
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True, but you have to admit the American Orthodox does a better job of preserving rituals than the non-orthodox American Shuls.
It depends on where in the US. NYC & Chicago will do the best job no matter the level. South is hit or miss depending on the community and west seems to be simply going through the motions since so many generations have passed since they arrived in the 1800's.
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Old 02-17-2014, 11:54 AM
 
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Rewarded you with your Bar Mitzvah? You are Bar Mitzvah from the day you turn 13. Could the Hasidim not allow you that inevitable right?

First the reward was it being done at the Kotel instead of a Shul. Secondly your attainment of the correct age is based on ha'luach ha'ivri (Jewish Calender) not your birth certificate and thirdly your third comment makes no logical sense.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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I was asking because I was not sure what you meant completely.
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Old 02-18-2014, 06:24 AM
 
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I was asking because I was not sure what you meant completely.

That's ok. When in doubt, ask.
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Old 02-18-2014, 06:46 AM
 
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iWish give a perfect answer for this; picking and choosing what you want from the Torah is the Reform movement and a majority of the conservative movement. I see nothing wrong with continuing the traditions of our ancestors and I believe it makes us stronger, not weaker Jews.
But which traditions are you looking at. The ones that are just a few hundred years old or the ones that are a few thousand years old? Are you looking at the traditions of those in Diaspora outside of the Levant to Eastern Europe only or the traditions from N Africa and the Middle East?

Here is a link to the less known Yerushalami Talmud:
http://halakhah.com/yerushalmi_berak...ahavy_2010.pdf


If you've never read the Babylonian Talmud, then you may not be able to understand the differences in Torah interpretation depending on where the people were from when it was written.
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