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Old 02-12-2014, 04:33 PM
 
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Thank both of you. That helps settle my curiosity. Although the term Modern Orthodox conveys the concept of a Modified orthodoxy. At least in my Humble opinion. J
The modern orthodox have more in common with the ultra..ultra...ultra orthodox (whatever it may be) than with reform.
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Old 02-12-2014, 04:36 PM
 
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The modern orthodox have more in common with the ultra..ultra...ultra orthodox (whatever it may be) than with reform.
I see so it is more like a revival of stricter observance, not a lessening to a more moderate form.
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Old 02-12-2014, 04:48 PM
 
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I see so it is more like a revival of stricter observance, not a lessening to a more moderate form.
Strict observance and voluntary segregation was always the standard. Modern orthodox just blend in culturally with the secular environment and might prefer the most lenient rulings in halacha, rather than abiding by the strictest ruling. They're just more "modern."
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Old 02-12-2014, 04:59 PM
 
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Strict observance and voluntary segregation was always the standard. Modern orthodox just blend in culturally with the secular environment and might prefer the most lenient rulings in halacha, rather than abiding by the strictest ruling. They're just more "modern."
Thank you for your patience. I now get to add a new term to my vocabulary.

You guys are almost as confusing as I am with my Halal, Sunnah, and Fiqh
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Old 02-12-2014, 05:15 PM
 
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FYI Woodrow, here's a list of of the Jewish affiliations. The top is the most liberal and the bottom is the most conservative. Don't get confused when you see Conservative in the middle, it's actually more liberal than Orthodox!!

Reform
Conservative
Orthodox

...and to break it down further...

Reform
Conservative
Conservadox
Liberal Orthodox
Modern Orthodox
Ultra Orthodox (Chasidic)
Ultra Ultra Orthodox
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Old 02-12-2014, 05:44 PM
 
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Reform
Conservative
Conservadox
Liberal Orthodox
Modern Orthodox
Ultra Orthodox (Chasidic)
Ultra Ultra Orthodox
LOL

Let's keep it simple:

Black hatters
Kippah wearers
Bare headers

Simple test: Shabbos observant (orthodox), Mechalel Shabbos (everything else)

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Old 02-12-2014, 05:59 PM
 
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Black hatters
Kippah wearers
Bare headers
I think I like that a lot more than the typical lists.
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:32 PM
 
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You could also probably make a list for females too!

long baggy skirt
fitted skirt that ends slightly past knees
mini skirt



or or or with the number of kids women have had!

8 kids
3 kids
1 kid
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:33 PM
 
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LOL

Let's keep it simple:

Black hatters
Kippah wearers
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My Great Grandmother was Ashkenazi from Poland. I never really knew her. but some of my surviving cousins are Chasidic, although most are conservative. the majority of my jewish relatives did not survive the Holocaust.
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:52 PM
 
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long baggy skirt
fitted skirt that ends slightly past knees
mini skirt
All of the above could easily be orthodox.

All hair covered (orthodox)
Hair partially covered (modern orthodox)
Hair uncovered (everything else)

Sefardic women with uncovered hair are also sometimes orthodox. So I dunno. I stick by the Shomer Shabbos test.
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