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View Poll Results: Should Women be allowed up to the bima and read from the torah?
Yes! It's the 21st century and women should have equal rights! 6 85.71%
No! Traditionally, it is supposed to be the man that does an aliyah and reads from the torah. 1 14.29%
Voters: 7. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-17-2014, 07:25 AM
 
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What are your thoughts?
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:30 AM
 
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Why ask? Torah Observant say no. Liberal Jews say yes.

Next thread.
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Jerusalem Rabbi Mendel Shapiro paved the way for an Israeli synagogue, an Israeli minyan
and three New York prayer groups to adopt a new model of Orthodoxy that permits
women to read and bless the Torah in mixed services.



http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/...rthodox-bimah/
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:38 AM
 
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Ah! A "new model of orthodoxy."

Sounds like Reform or Conservative.
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:43 AM
 
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Rabbi Mendel Shapiro is a Modern Orthodox Rabbi.
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Old 02-17-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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I agree with TFF, whats the point of questions like this?
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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I agree with TFF, whats the point of questions like this?
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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I agree with TFF, whats the point of questions like this?
Who made theflipflip the boss of what can or what cannot be queried in the forum? A topic has been placed here so we can discuss it or not discuss . Since I'm Conservadox and usually lean to the right towards Orthodox, I'm going to lean to the left and state.........YES.
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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Bobo, I wish that you would start the discussion by stating your own belief so that someone can counter or agree with it.

I just agreed with TFF in the fact that Torah Observant are going to say no, and almost everyone else is going to say Yes. This seems like a very fundamental to your denomination question.
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Old 02-17-2014, 09:05 PM
 
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Bobo, I wish that you would start the discussion by stating your own belief so that someone can counter or agree with it.

I just agreed with TFF in the fact that Torah Observant are going to say no, and almost everyone else is going to say Yes. This seems like a very fundamental to your denomination question.
I agree with Tikva, if you're so convinced that ultra-Orthodox Judaism is the only correct form of Judaism and that everything else leads to anti-Zionism, then you should at least understand why they oppose women being on the bimah and reading from the Torah:

1.) Kol b'isha erva (the voice of a woman is nakedness): Ultra-Orthodox men are sexually aroused by the voice of a woman.

2.) Kavod haTzibur (honor of a congregation): The dignity of a congregation is destroyed when a woman reads from the Torah, because when an ultra-Orthodox man hears that a woman is reading from the Torah in Congregation Chasidim Shotim, he thinks that all of the men there are so illiterate that they had to get a woman (!) to read for them.

3.) General tzniut (modesty) concerns. In ultra-Orthodox Judaism, it is immodest for a woman to be the center of attention of all these men. Degrading, in fact. Kol kevuda bas melech penima: All of the glory of a (Jewish) princess is within. An ultra-Orthodox man honors his wife by not parading her around, and instead keeping her at home.

4.) Mesorah (tradition). Men have traditionally read from the Torah. To let a woman read from the Torah is a break from tradition and is thus a violation of ultra-Orthodox Jewish law.

5.) The Reform and Conservative apikorsim (heretics) do it. Therefore Torah-observant Jews are not allowed to do it.

I think #5 is the main reason. It's a law added to the Torah by the ultra-Orthodox movement.

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