U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Judaism
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-21-2014, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
21,354 posts, read 24,094,847 times
Reputation: 8864

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by theflipflop View Post
The Torah is emes.
Emes= Emet = Truth.

Fine.

Shemot (Exodus) 22:31

...Therefore, do not eat any animal that has been torn up and killed by wild animals....

Easily understood without any explanation needed.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-21-2014, 11:15 AM
 
Location: OC/LA
3,831 posts, read 3,699,941 times
Reputation: 2214
Quote:
Originally Posted by theflipflop View Post
You are correct. We believe in black and white. Grey is an unnatural state and requires balance, ie, moving to either black or white. The Torah is emes. Straddling the fence is sheker.
According to whom?

Quote:
Originally Posted by theflipflop View Post
You feel no shame in promoting a life of treif? Or would you prefer to have Torah guided actions. But you're just not on that level? Not you, per se, but the philosophies you promote in this forum.
I'm not promoting a life of eating meat torn up by wild animals...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-21-2014, 12:08 PM
 
3,952 posts, read 3,340,232 times
Reputation: 1246
Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperionGap View Post
According to whom?


I'm not promoting a life of eating meat torn up by wild animals...
So you're saying the Rambam, Rashi, the Vilna Goan, the Chofetz Chaim, Rabbi Akiva Eiger, Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Eliyashiv - the fact that they interpret the laws of Kashrus different than you, that you're comfortable that your version is correct and their versions were misinterpreting the Torah?

Have you ever heard of the Jewish concept of "emunas chachamin?"
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-21-2014, 12:23 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
3,831 posts, read 3,699,941 times
Reputation: 2214
There are 70 faces to the Torah.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-21-2014, 12:26 PM
 
3,952 posts, read 3,340,232 times
Reputation: 1246
Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperionGap View Post
There are 70 faces to the Torah.
There is one Torah. There are 70 "nations," ie, the goyim. I know they may have opinions on what the Torah means, but their opinions never overrule our sages. Nor do you have the authority to do so.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-21-2014, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
21,354 posts, read 24,094,847 times
Reputation: 8864
Quote:
Originally Posted by theflipflop View Post
So you're saying the Rambam, Rashi, the Vilna Goan, the Chofetz Chaim, Rabbi Akiva Eiger, Rav Moshe Feinstein and Rav Eliyashiv - the fact that they interpret the laws of Kashrus different than you, that you're comfortable that your version is correct and their versions were misinterpreting the Torah?

Have you ever heard of the Jewish concept of "emunas chachamin?"
First of all its emunas chachamim which you should have stated in English meaning trust in the wise Rabbis.


Secondly a interpretation is a opinion. The Torah states what the Torah states. There is no reason to embellish except to force people to follow a different direction than was written. So YES many things they state are wrong.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-21-2014, 03:47 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
3,831 posts, read 3,699,941 times
Reputation: 2214
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
First of all its emunas chachamim which you should have stated in English meaning trust in the wise Rabbis.


Secondly a interpretation is a opinion. The Torah states what the Torah states. There is no reason to embellish except to force people to follow a different direction than was written. So YES many things they state are wrong.
Pretty much this. Last I checked all people are fallible and even the great rabbis had different opinions/interpretations.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-21-2014, 03:55 PM
 
3,952 posts, read 3,340,232 times
Reputation: 1246
Wow. Have far we Jews have fallen. No surprise we don't merit a beis hamigdosh with comments like those.

Good Shabbos, wether you recognize it or not.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-21-2014, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
21,354 posts, read 24,094,847 times
Reputation: 8864
Quote:
Originally Posted by theflipflop View Post
Wow. Have far we Jews have fallen. No surprise we don't merit a beis hamigdosh with comments like those.


Merit? Beit hamigdosh is a Temple.

My gift to this thread.

The Holy Temple.Take a Virtual Tour of the Beit Hamikdash.

The Holy Temple - Take a Virtual Tour of the Beit Hamikdash - Tisha B'Av and the 3 Weeks


Bais Hamikdash in 3D



Shabbat Shalom.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-30-2014, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
21,354 posts, read 24,094,847 times
Reputation: 8864
Quote:
Originally Posted by Agam View Post
i didn't understand what trief means
you have tried to translate Hebrew to English Translation mixed. And you got something unintelligible because of this dumb law.
In this thread it covers many things. So basically think about how the Charedi act, do things and what they eat. That is considered kosher. Treif is not kosher.

The main reason the Hebrew used here is unintelligible is it's not the same conversational Hebrew you use. It's Hebrew pronounced in Yiddish.


In Hebrew the word is trafah, but doesn't mean the same thing.

Last edited by Pruzhany; 03-30-2014 at 05:50 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Judaism
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top