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Old 02-20-2014, 04:59 PM
 
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My theory is that you either hate treif, or you celebrate it. Ambivalence is the same as celebrating it. Did I miss any options?
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Old 02-20-2014, 05:23 PM
 
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Which treif do you want an answer too? The Torah Version, The Talmud version or your version?

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Old 02-20-2014, 06:09 PM
 
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I would say...... yes.
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Old 02-20-2014, 06:26 PM
 
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Which treif do you want an answer too? The Torah Version, The Talmud version or your version?
Talmud is Torah. So take a stand.
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Old 02-20-2014, 06:36 PM
 
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Talmud is Torah.
The Torah primarily refers to the first section of the Tanakh–the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, but the term is sometimes also used in the general sense to also include both of Judaism's written law and oral law, encompassing the entire spectrum of authoritative Jewish religious teachings throughout history, including the Mishnah, the Talmud, the Midrash, and more.

The Talmud is a record of rabbinic discussions of Jewish law, ethics, customs, and stories, which are authoritative in Jewish tradition. It is the fundamental source for rabbinic legislation and case law.
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Old 02-20-2014, 06:38 PM
 
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I don't understand the question? Do I hate to eat Treif? Well, I never have (hope not). I'm nauseated when I pass a Treif eatery, so does that constitute hate?
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Old 02-20-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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My theory is that you either hate treif, or you celebrate it. Ambivalence is the same as celebrating it. Did I miss any options?
Are you talking about treif food? Treif ideas? Treif people? And treif to whom? OU Dairy might be treif to a chasid who only drinks cholov yisroel, but not to the majority of Jews.

Your question is very vague. May I ask what prompted it?
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:23 PM
 
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Are you talking about treif food? Treif ideas? Treif people? And treif to whom? OU Dairy might be treif to a chasid who only drinks cholov yisroel, but not to the majority of Jews.

Your question is very vague. May I ask what prompted it?
Somebody PM'd me that they didn't understand why so many Jews in this forum not only eat treif, but actually celebrate and promote a treif lifestyle.

I have to admit, I don't understand either. I grew up eating treif and transgressing laws I would have never dreamed of. But once I was exposed to Torah, I stopped publicly promoting such anti Jewish, anti Torah concepts. I still performed many of these treif actions, but I recognized it was a function of my madrega (level of Jewish performance). I would
Never have dreamed, even in those days, of saying its preferable to eat and act treif.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:01 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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Are you talking about treif food? Treif ideas? Treif people? And treif to whom? OU Dairy might be treif to a chasid who only drinks cholov yisroel, but not to the majority of Jews.

Your question is very vague. May I ask what prompted it?
I also don't understand the question.

Do I hate lobsters? Do I hate eating lobsters?


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My theory is that you either hate treif, or you celebrate it. Ambivalence is the same as celebrating it. Did I miss any options?
Well, that's a pretty terrible theory. But I suppose most fundamentalists only think in black & white so it's not very surprising.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:20 PM
 
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Well, that's a pretty terrible theory. But I suppose most fundamentalists only think in black & white so it's not very surprising.

False dilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You are correct. We believe in black and white. Grey is an unnatural state and requires balance, ie, moving to either black or white. The Torah is emes. Straddling the fence is sheker.

You feel no shame in promoting a life of treif? Or would you prefer to have Torah guided actions. But you're just not on that level? Not you, per se, but the philosophies you promote in this forum.
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