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Old 03-18-2014, 05:15 PM
 
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Yes. I'll even make this easy for you. No, I don't believe in God as described in the Torah or even during Rabbinic times. I'm possibly on board with Spinoza's view of Pantheism, but probably more inline with Gittelsohn's naturalist views.




Why, she was born from her mother obviously. You should go watch Cosmos with Neil Tyson. You young earthers might learn something.
Would you say your views are not so unusual in a Reform shul?
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Old 03-18-2014, 06:36 PM
 
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Reform Judaism holds as one of it's principles "Belief in God as defined in the Shema." That is all. How one defines God beyond that is up to the individual.

As to what % of Jews believe in the exact same way I do, I have no idea. I'm probably on the liberal end of the spectrum though.

I will say that VAST majority of Reform Jews definitely believe in evolution as scientific fact.
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Old 03-18-2014, 06:59 PM
 
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I go to a Reform shul and believe in evolution. I believe that Adam and Chava are symbolic beings.
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:37 PM
 
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I go to a Reform shul and believe in evolution. I believe that Adam and Chava are symbolic beings.
What do they symbolize?
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:52 PM
 
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The beginning of civilization. Plus, our Patriarchs and Matriarchs need their own Parents!

I think that to believe in Bereishi.t in a literal sense is pretty bewildering.
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:27 PM
 
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The beginning of civilization. Plus, our Patriarchs and Matriarchs need their own Parents!

I think that to believe in Bereishi.t in a literal sense is pretty bewildering.
I get it. When I was young, I went to a reform shul (2 days a year), didn't believe in G-d, thought organized religion was useless, was liberal in my approach to things, believed in evolution, thought Adam and Eve (actually, the whole bible) was just a collection of nice stories. And in the world I lived in, none of that was unusual. A bit boring, but not unusual.

Now I live in a world where rabbis once could resurrect the dead with just one word. Where giants once roamed the earth. Where people could communicate directly with G-d. Where divine providence is found in every single day of my life. Where no harm can come to me while doing mitzvos. Where magical and mystical things happen in my life every single day. Truthfully, this world beats the heck out of my old world. But back then, I never knew this existed. I thank Hashem every day of my life for restoring my soul back into my body when I arise in the morning. And I thank Him every day for helping open my eyes to the richness that His Torah has brought into my life.
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:44 PM
 
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And as fantastic as that is for you, that lifestyle is a choice and may not be for everyone. What I don't understand is why you and iwish constantly have to belittle others who choose not to live or attempt to live such as you have chosen to do.
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:52 PM
 
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And as fantastic as that is for you, that lifestyle is a choice and may not be for everyone. What I don't understand is why you and iwish constantly have to belittle others who choose not to live or attempt to live such as you have chosen to do.
Because you're better than that. G-d gave you the same handbook He gave me. And if I can make the connection to G-d, I'm sure you can get there too. Why live in the earrhly world of the goyim when you have an all expenses pass to the heavenly realms?
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Old 03-18-2014, 10:07 PM
 
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Ok, well how about you stop and let me make my own connection to god however I am comfortable doing so. I can assure you, the only thing you're doing is making it quite clear I want to have absolutely nothing to do with orthodox Judaism.
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Old 03-18-2014, 10:08 PM
 
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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HyperionGap again."
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