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Old 03-18-2014, 10:44 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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Glad to know I'm not the only one that feels this way.
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Old 03-21-2014, 01:47 AM
 
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In Jewish tradition, Jews are descended from the patriarchs. However, I am not sure what Jews have to say about this exact subject in regards to archaeology and genetics. If they are descended from the patriarchs, does that mean that there really was a man named Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, or does that mean the patriarchs are the metaphor for the origins of the Jewish people, even though the earliest Jews may never be known for certain? Likewise, do Jews believe that Adam and Eve existed as REAL human beings, or is that just a traditional narrative meant to tell a lesson?
[FONT=Sabon]The Jewish community has been the focus of extensive genetic study over the past decade in an attempt to better understand the origins of this group. In particular, those descended from Northwestern and Eastern European Jewish groups, known as “Ashkenazim,” have been the subject of numerous DNA studies examining both the Y chromosome and mitochondrial genetic evidence. [/FONT]

[FONT=Sabon]The focus of the present study is to analyze and reassess Ashkenazi results obtained by DNA researchers and synthesize them into a coherent picture of Jewish genetics, interweaving historical evidence in order to obtain a more accurate depiction of the complex genetic history of this group. Many of the DNA studies on Ashkenazim fail to adequately address the complexity of the genetic evidence, in particular, the significant genetic contribution of European and Central Asian peoples in the makeup of the contemporary Ashkenazi population. One important contribution to Ashkenazi DNA appears to have originated with the Khazars, an ancient people of probable Central Asian stock that lived in southern [/FONT][FONT=Sabon]Russia[/FONT][FONT=Sabon] during the 8th-12th centuries CE. Significant inflow of genes from European host populations over the centuries is also supported by the DNA evidence. The present study analyzes not only the Middle Eastern component of Ashkenazi ancestry, but also the genetic contribution from European and Central Asian sources that appear to have had an important impact on Ashkenazi ancestry.[/FONT]
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Old 03-21-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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The Jewish community has been the focus of extensive genetic study over the past decade in an attempt to better understand the origins of this group. In particular, those descended from Northwestern and Eastern European Jewish groups, known as “Ashkenazim,” have been the subject of numerous DNA studies examining both the Y chromosome and mitochondrial genetic evidence.

The focus of the present study is to analyze and reassess Ashkenazi results obtained by DNA researchers and synthesize them into a coherent picture of Jewish genetics, interweaving historical evidence in order to obtain a more accurate depiction of the complex genetic history of this group. Many of the DNA studies on Ashkenazim fail to adequately address the complexity of the genetic evidence, in particular, the significant genetic contribution of European and Central Asian peoples in the makeup of the contemporary Ashkenazi population. One important contribution to Ashkenazi DNA appears to have originated with the Khazars, an ancient people of probable Central Asian stock that lived in southern Russia during the 8th-12th centuries CE. Significant inflow of genes from European host populations over the centuries is also supported by the DNA evidence. The present study analyzes not only the Middle Eastern component of Ashkenazi ancestry, but also the genetic contribution from European and Central Asian sources that appear to have had an important impact on Ashkenazi ancestry.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and will say you probably are unaware how anti simetic your post is. Thanks for coming into our forum to insult our intelligence.
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Old 03-21-2014, 08:57 AM
 
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The Jewish community has been the focus of extensive genetic study over the past decade in an attempt to better understand the origins of this group. In particular, those descended from Northwestern and Eastern European Jewish groups, known as “Ashkenazim,” have been the subject of numerous DNA studies examining both the Y chromosome and mitochondrial genetic evidence.

The focus of the present study is to analyze and reassess Ashkenazi results obtained by DNA researchers and synthesize them into a coherent picture of Jewish genetics, interweaving historical evidence in order to obtain a more accurate depiction of the complex genetic history of this group. Many of the DNA studies on Ashkenazim fail to adequately address the complexity of the genetic evidence, in particular, the significant genetic contribution of European and Central Asian peoples in the makeup of the contemporary Ashkenazi population. One important contribution to Ashkenazi DNA appears to have originated with the Khazars, an ancient people of probable Central Asian stock that lived in southern Russia during the 8th-12th centuries CE. Significant inflow of genes from European host populations over the centuries is also supported by the DNA evidence. The present study analyzes not only the Middle Eastern component of Ashkenazi ancestry, but also the genetic contribution from European and Central Asian sources that appear to have had an important impact on Ashkenazi ancestry.
Thanks for posting this. You should provide a link to where you got this information.
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Old 03-21-2014, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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The Jewish community has been the focus of extensive genetic study over the past decade in an attempt to better understand the origins of this group. In particular, those descended from Northwestern and Eastern European Jewish groups, known as “Ashkenazim,” have been the subject of numerous DNA studies examining both the Y chromosome and mitochondrial genetic evidence.

The focus of the present study is to analyze and reassess Ashkenazi results obtained by DNA researchers and synthesize them into a coherent picture of Jewish genetics, interweaving historical evidence in order to obtain a more accurate depiction of the complex genetic history of this group. Many of the DNA studies on Ashkenazim fail to adequately address the complexity of the genetic evidence, in particular, the significant genetic contribution of European and Central Asian peoples in the makeup of the contemporary Ashkenazi population. One important contribution to Ashkenazi DNA appears to have originated with the Khazars, an ancient people of probable Central Asian stock that lived in southern Russia during the 8th-12th centuries CE. Significant inflow of genes from European host populations over the centuries is also supported by the DNA evidence. The present study analyzes not only the Middle Eastern component of Ashkenazi ancestry, but also the genetic contribution from European and Central Asian sources that appear to have had an important impact on Ashkenazi ancestry.
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My mesorah (Jewish tradition) goes back 3300 years in an unbroken chain to Mount Sinai. I can trace my lineage to the Graw (the Vilna Goan) who could trace his lineage back to Mount Sinai.
What's the problem if Mt Sinai IS in the Middle East? Or are you afraid to have your DNA tested to see if you have any Levant DNA?
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:11 AM
 
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What's the problem if Mt Sinai IS in the Middle East? Or are you afraid to have your DNA tested to see if you have any Levant DNA?
Huh? Can you please focus in the topic and not your fellow posters?
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:26 AM
 
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Huh? Can you please focus in the topic and not your fellow posters?
The post is in line with the OP.

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In Jewish tradition, Jews are descended from the patriarchs. However, I am not sure what Jews have to say about this exact subject in regards to archaeology and genetics. If they are descended from the patriarchs, does that mean that there really was a man named Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, or does that mean the patriarchs are the metaphor for the origins of the Jewish people, even though the earliest Jews may never be known for certain? Likewise, do Jews believe that Adam and Eve existed as REAL human beings, or is that just a traditional narrative meant to tell a lesson?
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:43 AM
 
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What's the problem if Mt Sinai IS in the Middle East? Or are you afraid to have your DNA tested to see if you have any Levant DNA?
Ok fine. I'll answer you question.

No problem. Not afraid.

Now wasn't that a valuable use of internet bandwidth. What other nastiness do you have in your arsenal today?
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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Ok fine. I'll answer you question.

No problem. Not afraid.

And?
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:27 AM
 
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And?
And I answered your question.

And?
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