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Old 03-28-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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Interesting how it has become a narrative that half the world bases their world view on.
Yes, it is interesting. Perhaps it is because it actually did happen and there were millions of eyewitnesses at the time who saw it take place, not to mention the "slaves" you're referring to who were the actual participants in the narrative. Have you considered that option?

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Of course, there's no physical evidence for it.
I am physical evidence for it.
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Old 03-28-2014, 10:45 AM
 
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"Delegitimize"? Explain to me how escaping slavery is a fault. Explain to me how African roots is a fault. I suggest there are at least two kinds of bigotry involved in that judgment.
Beenhere, that is a fantastic post and I am looking forward to someone answering you.

As for myself, I cannot understand how any moral person could possibly have negative feelings about someone just because they have African ancestry or because they escaped slavery.
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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As for myself, I cannot understand how any moral person could possibly have negative feelings about someone just because they have African ancestry or because they escaped slavery.
And you're supposed to be brilliant because you understand evolution. What is a moral person?
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Old 03-28-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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It is clear that there are people involved here who have some ethnic sensitivities, and it isn't about anti-semitism. Jews are extremely sensitive to slight, but could it possibly be that hidden in their value system is a bunch of slights toward other groups in the world? Things they never dare utter, lest it label them as bigots and racists? I'd love to know who, in the eyes of Jews, are their true equals.
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Old 03-28-2014, 01:25 PM
 
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Anyone who keeps the 7 Noahide laws is essentially the equal of a Jew.

And I think you used your own biases to misinterpret my earlier post. You delegitimize us when you give any "theory" that says we are not descendants of Yaakov Aveinu (Jacob).

If you think we are Khazars, then you are an anti Semite. Same if you think were are descended from the Canaanites.
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Old 03-28-2014, 01:30 PM
 
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It is clear that there are people involved here who have some ethnic sensitivities, and it isn't about anti-semitism. Jews are extremely sensitive to slight, but could it possibly be that hidden in their value system is a bunch of slights toward other groups in the world? Things they never dare utter, lest it label them as bigots and racists? I'd love to know who, in the eyes of Jews, are their true equals.
Aha. Now you're getting into the heart of things. Since you brought up this point, let's start with you.

I am a Jew; apparently, you are not. So do you consider me your equal?
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Old 03-28-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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It is clear that there are people involved here who have some ethnic sensitivities, and it isn't about anti-semitism. Jews are extremely sensitive to slight, but could it possibly be that hidden in their value system is a bunch of slights toward other groups in the world? Things they never dare utter, lest it label them as bigots and racists? I'd love to know who, in the eyes of Jews, are their true equals.
Should we expect quotes from the Elder's of Zion next?
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Old 03-28-2014, 02:26 PM
 
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If one considers Judaism as an offshoot of a Mosaic religion, I wonder if any religion anywhere on the planet has introduced itself in a holy text by the account of a genocide committed upon the command of its god. Remembering all the while that this very Moses founded it with a set of commandments that acknowledged the existence of gods for other peoples but insisted that THIS people must put all those other gods behind itself. It was a one to one relationship. This god chose THIS people. And as such, is said to have ordered the complete extermination of a people that made it angry. Ordered it as a PROOF of faith and obedience.

I'm an anthropology fan, but I've never encountered a religion founded upon such a base. This is the stuff of eternal inter-ethnic strife. The War of the Gods re-enacted on a human plane. If the Hebrews were runaway slaves, is there a way to elicit this core value from the base of slave existence? I read Moses and Monotheism ages ago, but I don't recall that Freud related these things together.
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Old 03-28-2014, 02:31 PM
 
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Apparently you're genius, as you seem to know more about Judaism than Jews themselves know, but can you answer a simple question posed in #16?
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Old 03-28-2014, 03:25 PM
 
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You know, the whole Cana'an thing could have been a clever way for leaders to burden a group of confused people with guilt and fear so that they'd be easy to push in any direction the leaders wanted. That much bloodshed could result in a conscience that would survive for generations, just like a lot of Germans still feel shame over the Holocaust.

But I think it can hardly be understated that that episode forms the foundation of the bloodthirstiness of every religious group that accepts it. It creates, right at the roots of all semitic religion that massacres are appropriate in the name of religion. Not sure how prevalent that is worldwide, but hundreds of millions have accepted as divine the institution of genocide. So when we read of car bombs, IEDs, crashing planes, we need to recall the extermination of a people by the escaped slaves from Egypt. And just as there are imams who command the deaths of infidels, there were spokemen of the Hebrew god who said to the nomads that they brought a command of genocide from the Hebrew god.
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