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Old 03-29-2014, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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There is genetic discoveries of Jewishness...Such as, CMH the Kohanim haplogroup descended from Aaron who descended from Abraham, so, they surmise that the Kohanim gene must have been present in Abraham, because it takes several generations for the Y-Chromosome to alter even a little...The Y-Chromosome is passed from father to son unchanged...They have found many people with this particular CMH gene all over the world, and most are Jews and a majority are Kohanim...Which reflects the promise of HaShem in the Torab regarding the Priestly line of Aaron forever...The article that I read states that all these CMH type individuals have a common ancestor around 3300 years ago, which correlates with the time of Aaron...
Exactly how do they have DNA from Aaron? How did anyone confirm it was Aaron? Outside the Torah, can we say Aaron is a real human figure? This really sounds so much like talking to a Creationist. All the "science" is self-referent. Plus, by all accounts, only Judah's descendants ever returned from Babylon. But then, is there any benchmark DNA for Judah? How? You can't merge legend and science except in a state of wishfulness. And I repeat, Jews are not "a special people". The militants like to think of themselves as "Daddy's favorite". But they are really just another segment of a linguistic group. In fact, it is pretty hard to even conclusively call them Semites since they could have changed their language.
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Old 03-29-2014, 07:21 PM
 
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Exactly how do they have DNA from Aaron? How did anyone confirm it was Aaron? Outside the Torah, can we say Aaron is a real human figure? This really sounds so much like talking to a Creationist. All the "science" is self-referent. Plus, by all accounts, only Judah's descendants ever returned from Babylon. But then, is there any benchmark DNA for Judah? How? You can't merge legend and science except in a state of wishfulness. And I repeat, Jews are not "a special people". The militants like to think of themselves as "Daddy's favorite". But they are really just another segment of a linguistic group. In fact, it is pretty hard to even conclusively call them Semites since they could have changed their language.
So, if we are, as you claim, delusional people, why do even bother speaking to us or about us? Just ignore us.
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Old 03-29-2014, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Anyone who keeps the 7 Noahide laws is essentially the equal of a Jew.

And I think you used your own biases to misinterpret my earlier post. You delegitimize us when you give any "theory" that says we are not descendants of Yaakov Aveinu (Jacob).

If you think we are Khazars, then you are an anti Semite. Same if you think were are descended from the Canaanites.
Round and round. No, the "laws" are a nullity. We are all equal in every meaningful sense. Sure, the brutal ones subjugate those who live ethically. But that is galaxies away from "chosen people". That's the realities of power. That merely obscures the fact that, cosmically, we are all equal. And no one can, by referring to a set of "laws" claim any different. That's the big fundamental error of everything in Judaism. The notion that some leader told them they were different from all other people on earth. I'm sure that helped quiet the chaos and create some group solidarity. The DOWNSIDE is that it got entrenched and magnified over time in the minds of these people to where without they'd have no identity. And since all homo sapiens fight to a bloody death for their identity, their sanity, we now have a group of people for whom this identity trumps even survival. And this is corroborated by human experience worldwide, something that the biblical stories are not corroborated by. And so the potential for catastrophe escalates on and on till something worse than the Holocaust could happen. And all to preserve the notion there is a "special people".

I never got to make any money in my life, but that left me free to shun all the doctrines used to blind people to the truth. And this is my summation. I doubt Buddha would be impressed, but he wasn't as concerned with normal earthly life. He felt attachment to it was not worth having.
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Old 03-29-2014, 07:50 PM
 
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Does anybody understand what he's saying?
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Old 03-29-2014, 07:55 PM
 
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Probably not. Those blinded by dogma usually understand little else. But for me, I'd just be repeating myself if I extended the discussion. So, as Bahbra Richmond might say, "Talk amongst yourself". But find your own topic.
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Old 03-29-2014, 08:03 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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Does anybody understand what he's saying?
I actually gave it a go. But no, I really don't.
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Old 03-29-2014, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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The chosen people - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
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Old 03-29-2014, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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Does anybody understand what he's saying?
Well, I agree with one thing he said:

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And I repeat, Jews are not "a special people".
However, in my opinion, it does not matter if Jews are 'special people'. It does matter that Jews THINK they are special, because that gives them a positive attitude that helps them achieve a full potential in life.

That may be why a majority of the 100 most important Americans are Jewish. At least that is what I read.

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Old 03-29-2014, 08:51 PM
 
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This is the only part I understood:

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I never got to make any money in my life
Neither did I. Well not any money, but not any significant amount of wealth. Isn't this strange for somebody who controls the world's economy?
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:01 AM
 
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[quote=Beenhere4ever;34073859]Well, of course, there shouldn't be any problem answering such a question with DNA. Even after the world has mixed to such a degree, there have to be traces. If the nation of Israel really had a Sumerian source, I think that would show.[quote]

It does, geographically speaking. Based upon data complied by the Human Genome Diversity Project researchers from New York and Tel Aviv published there results in the American Journal of Human Genetics that point to a common ancestor all ethnic Jews are related to a group that emerged at sometime in the Middle east. The same study found a strong genetic tie between Jews, Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians.

Jews worldwide share genetic ties : Nature News
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