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Old 10-08-2014, 06:08 PM
 
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Are teachings in reform and conservative Judiasm becoming more liberal--ie., to the extent of allowing for open (and perhaps incorrect interpretation) of the scriptures? This is sadly true now in many Christian churches where they do not preach what the old and new Testaments say but rather "interpret them".
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Old 10-08-2014, 07:44 PM
 
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The Reform and Orthodox are getting more conservative, while the Conservative movement is becoming more liberal. A group called the "Open Orthodox" is trying to fill the gap where Orthodoxy used to be ~ 60 years ago.

Also, not sure if you are aware, but Judaism is not based on the Old Testament of the Bible. It is based on the Oral and Written Torah.

And you'll have to define what you mean by "incorrect interpretation".
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Old 10-09-2014, 05:34 AM
 
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Are teachings in reform and conservative Judaism becoming more liberal--ie., to the extent of allowing for open (and perhaps incorrect interpretation) of the scriptures? This is sadly true now in many Christian churches where they do not preach what the old and new Testaments say but rather "interpret them".
The problem also extends to the Orthodox. It is where one is taught to read in another language without actually understanding the words. For this there is a saying that one must be able to read and understand the words so there is no loss in the translation. My Yeshiva taught both together, but I know many American Jews who can read Hebrew but have no clue what they are reading. Christians take this problem a step further by not being able to read Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin and Greek thus they rely on interpretations much more than Jews and have ended up with over 50 different NT Bibles. Thus both rely on someone else's translation plus the interpretations of the translator added in.
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Old 10-09-2014, 11:53 AM
 
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The Reform and Orthodox are getting more conservative, while the Conservative movement is becoming more liberal. A group called the "Open Orthodox" is trying to fill the gap where Orthodoxy used to be ~ 60 years ago.

Also, not sure if you are aware, but Judaism is not based on the Old Testament of the Bible. It is based on the Oral and Written Torah.

And you'll have to define what you mean by "incorrect interpretation".
Right, I'm aware that Judiasm is based on the Torah. By "incorrect (or liberal) interpretation" I mean are the teachings being misinterpreted or "convoluted" to conform to being politically correct--or perhaps this doesn't apply to Judiasm (forgive my ignorance). I'm curious exactly what changes are taking place in what religious Jews believe nowadays.
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Old 10-09-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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the problem with the concept of "liberal" is that it might not be.
it might be just a withering of principle.
a great deal of cowardice tries to pass itself off as "liberal"
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Old 10-09-2014, 06:57 PM
 
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The problem also extends to the Orthodox. It is where one is taught to read in another language without actually understanding the words. For this there is a saying that one must be able to read and understand the words so there is no loss in the translation. My Yeshiva taught both together, but I know many American Jews who can read Hebrew but have no clue what they are reading. Christians take this problem a step further by not being able to read Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin and Greek thus they rely on interpretations much more than Jews and have ended up with over 50 different NT Bibles. Thus both rely on someone else's translation plus the interpretations of the translator added in.
In the Orthodox and Conservative, the Hebrew text is on one page and the English is on the opposite page. So is that the translation of the Hebrew on the opposite page~? I presume it is.
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Old 10-09-2014, 07:25 PM
 
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In the Orthodox and Conservative, the Hebrew text is on one page and the English is on the opposite page. So is that the translation of the Hebrew on the opposite page~? I presume it is.
None of mine have an English side. But some of the ones I've seen, the translations were not direct. They were light transliterations (or the words didn't match up with the context) so the English side flows better.
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Old 10-11-2014, 10:11 PM
 
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I hate the Conservative movement's siddurim (prayerbooks) precisely because of their dishonest translations, where they use the Orthodox text but with a politically-correct "translation" that differs from the original meaning. It's like they're relying on the Hebrew illiteracy of their members to not offend people. Either change both the English and the Hebrew, or change neither.
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Old 10-12-2014, 06:10 PM
 
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I hate the Conservative movement's siddurim (prayerbooks) precisely because of their dishonest translations, where they use the Orthodox text but with a politically-correct "translation" that differs from the original meaning. It's like they're relying on the Hebrew illiteracy of their members to not offend people. Either change both the English and the Hebrew, or change neither.
The newest ones fess up to this, and put the changes in [brackets] along with an explanation, so people can do what they want according to local custom.
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Old 10-12-2014, 07:18 PM
 
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Are teachings in reform and conservative Judiasm becoming more liberal--ie., to the extent of allowing for open (and perhaps incorrect interpretation) of the scriptures? This is sadly true now in many Christian churches where they do not preach what the old and new Testaments say but rather "interpret them".
Some Christian churches are becoming more liberal, some are becoming more conservative, some are staying pretty much the same. My guess is that it is probably the same story in the several varieties of Judaism.

As far as 'interpreting' scripture, that has always been the case in Christianity. As I understand it, ongoing interpretation of scripture is normal in Judaism.
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