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I don't know where you're getting your numbers from. Biblical Hebrew and it's writing system has been dated back to the 10th century BCE, and the books of the Tanakh are, as estimated by scholars, to have been written after that point.
By the time the Tanakh was written, Hebrew was a distinct language.
It's time for you to stop using the internet and start going to a Jewish library that carries old Rabbinical texts. My home library dates back to the 1800's and older texts are not on the internet. But to keep you in line with the Traditional date of birth of Moses being 1393BCE, dying in 1273BCE and spending most of his early life in Egypt: Which Aramaic do you think he was fluent in? Since that's the Aramaic he knew, do you really think he wrote the Torah in an Aramaic that was totally foreign to him? Really?
fwiw the 10th century BCE is 1000BCE to 901BCE. So you've already lost over 300 years somewhere.
I'm sorry Pruz, but the last couple of hundred years of scholarship proves you wrong.
In over a decade of study, you are the first person I've ever seen (in real life or on the internet, religious or secular, Jew or Gentile) to claim that the Tanakh was not written in Hebrew.
I'm sorry Pruz, but the last couple of hundred years of scholarship proves you wrong.
In over a decade of study, you are the first person I've ever seen (in real life or on the internet, religious or secular, Jew or Gentile) to claim that the Tanakh was not written in Hebrew.
That's because they start at 10BCE. Paleo-Hebrew which started around predates that. But Moses wrote the Torah 300 years before that. What you (and them) are given is the easy stuff to comprehend. On the other hand there are people in Israel who are true scholars (that I do know) that do cover and its not easy to understand and thus people are not taught it.
How many people here went to a Orthodox Yeshiva full time? How many people here learned and were able to read with understanding (no English side of page), Chumash, Rashi and some level of Talmud? How many people here can Daven with understanding? How many people know there is more one Al Hanisim and know the differences between them? Being Orthodox is not just some level of how religious one is, it's also a level education that has multiple higher levels. There is a level where one leaves rote and goes way beyond it. So yes it matters. So how many....?
I know that your background is much better than mine and that you know a lot that I don't know. That's part of why I'm surprised that you would say that the Tanakh is in Aramaic and the letters Hebrew, when nearly EVERYBODY knows that it is the reverse. The real puzzler is why Aramaic (square) letters are used in the Masoretic Torah, although Shlomo Birnbaum gives a reasonable explanation in his The Hebrew Scripts.
If this is an independent opinion of your own, based on your knowledge of Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic (presumably the Aramaic of the Gemara), fine, but it seems to this ignorant soul that if you have an opinion that flies in the face of practically the rest of the world, it is on you to justify it.
BTW, what do you mean by "WYSIWYG pronunciation?"
P.S. It just came to me that the initials may indicate What You See Is What You Get. Still not sure what you mean by that.
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How many people here went to a Orthodox Yeshiva full time? How many people here learned and were able to read with understanding (no English side of page), Chumash, Rashi and some level of Talmud? How many people here can Daven with understanding? How many people know there is more one Al Hanisim and know the differences between them? Being Orthodox is not just some level of how religious one is, it's also a level education that has multiple higher levels. There is a level where one leaves rote and goes way beyond it. So yes it matters. So how many....?
For the question asked, I really don't think it does. You should be able to find support / evidence for such a question and explain it in a way that is understandable to even non orthodox.
This isn't a question of faith/observance/etc. It's a matter of history/language/linguistics/cultural anthropology. Hence, I'm sure research has been done on the subject and therefore it's available on the internet.
For the question asked, I really don't think it does. You should be able to find support / evidence for such a question and explain it in a way that is understandable to even non orthodox.
This isn't a question of faith/observance/etc. It's a matter of history/language/linguistics/cultural anthropology. Hence, I'm sure research has been done on the subject and therefore it's available on the internet.
It may or not be in the internet. Not everything is on the public internet (http) or has a website associated with it. Many times, one has to use certain words to find things on the internet and the way providers work, it may not come up until one goes to the 20th page of links or more. But this is not the right forum for explaining the intricacies of the internet.
I believe Ira Einhorn (aka the "Unicorn Killer") existed.
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