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Old 07-16-2015, 05:58 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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For all Jews, the laws are obligatory. Some Jews meets their Torah obligations, and as you noted, some do not.

With regards to the "function" of dietary laws, they do not need one. G-d told us, so we do it. To assign a "function" to any of the 613 mitzvahs runs the danger of becoming a heretical activity. But some will say the "function" of dietary laws is to keep the Jews from marrying non-Jews. There is clearly a correlation between keeping kosher and avoiding intermarriage.
Please stop using Mathematics in order to make facts into truth. The equation used does not balance 100% of the time which makes your facts false.
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Old 07-16-2015, 06:03 PM
 
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1 + 1 = 2
But what proof makes this fact into truth:

The proof starts from the Peano Postulates, which define the natural
numbers N. N is the smallest set satisfying these postulates:

P1. 1 is in N.
P2. If x is in N, then its "successor" x' is in N.
P3. There is no x such that x' = 1.
P4. If x isn't 1, then there is a y in N such that y' = x.
P5. If S is a subset of N, 1 is in S, and the implication
(x in S => x' in S) holds, then S = N.

Then you have to define addition recursively:
Def: Let a and b be in N. If b = 1, then define a + b = a'
(using P1 and P2). If b isn't 1, then let c' = b, with c in N
(using P4), and define a + b = (a + c)'.

Then you have to define 2:
Def: 2 = 1'

2 is in N by P1, P2, and the definition of 2.

Theorem: 1 + 1 = 2

Proof: Use the first part of the definition of + with a = b = 1.
Then 1 + 1 = 1' = 2 Q.E.D.

Note: There is an alternate formulation of the Peano Postulates which
replaces 1 with 0 in P1, P3, P4, and P5. Then you have to change the
definition of addition to this:
Def: Let a and b be in N. If b = 0, then define a + b = a.
If b isn't 0, then let c' = b, with c in N, and define
a + b = (a + c)'.

You also have to define 1 = 0', and 2 = 1'. Then the proof of the
Theorem above is a little different:

Proof: Use the second part of the definition of + first:
1 + 1 = (1 + 0)'
Now use the first part of the definition of + on the sum in
parentheses: 1 + 1 = (1)' = 1' = 2 Q.E.D.


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Old 07-16-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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But what proof makes this fact into truth:

The proof starts from the Peano Postulates, which define the natural
numbers N. N is the smallest set satisfying these postulates:

P1. 1 is in N.
P2. If x is in N, then its "successor" x' is in N.
P3. There is no x such that x' = 1.
P4. If x isn't 1, then there is a y in N such that y' = x.
P5. If S is a subset of N, 1 is in S, and the implication
(x in S => x' in S) holds, then S = N.

Then you have to define addition recursively:
Def: Let a and b be in N. If b = 1, then define a + b = a'
(using P1 and P2). If b isn't 1, then let c' = b, with c in N
(using P4), and define a + b = (a + c)'.

Then you have to define 2:
Def: 2 = 1'

2 is in N by P1, P2, and the definition of 2.

Theorem: 1 + 1 = 2

Proof: Use the first part of the definition of + with a = b = 1.
Then 1 + 1 = 1' = 2 Q.E.D.

Note: There is an alternate formulation of the Peano Postulates which
replaces 1 with 0 in P1, P3, P4, and P5. Then you have to change the
definition of addition to this:
Def: Let a and b be in N. If b = 0, then define a + b = a.
If b isn't 0, then let c' = b, with c in N, and define
a + b = (a + c)'.

You also have to define 1 = 0', and 2 = 1'. Then the proof of the
Theorem above is a little different:

Proof: Use the second part of the definition of + first:
1 + 1 = (1 + 0)'
Now use the first part of the definition of + on the sum in
parentheses: 1 + 1 = (1)' = 1' = 2 Q.E.D.


Oh...You just a funny guy...I haven't messed with this stuff in ages...And I don't know if I want to go brush up on it...
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Old 07-16-2015, 06:48 PM
 
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Oh...You just a funny guy...I haven't messed with this stuff in ages...And I don't know if I want to go brush up on it...
What do you want from a person who has degrees in Engineering and Mathematics? I typed it more in relation to my previous post than yours that I explained in that post. Too much mental energy tonight.
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:29 PM
 
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I've been a vegetarian for like 40 years give or take. I do look at ingredients because certain ingredients I can't eat. For example MSG. Otherwise, if a product is marked vegan or vegetarian I'll purchase it. Some things I do buy are marked OU or K. Anyways, I have met people who are Reformed and kept strictly Kosher.
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:05 PM
 
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What do you want from a person who has degrees in Engineering and Mathematics? I typed it more in relation to my previous post than yours that I explained in that post. Too much mental energy tonight.
My education is in Electronic Engineering, IT and programming...Mathematics (Algebra, Trig and Calculus) were involved...But, that's been a long time ago...
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:34 PM
 
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My education is in Electronic Engineering, IT and programming...Mathematics (Algebra, Trig and Calculus) were involved...But, that's been a long time ago...

Well I could have simply responded in binary and typed 1+1=10.
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:50 PM
 
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Well I could have simply responded in binary and typed 1+1=10.
Being sarcastic about my education?......That's not nice...
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:58 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Being sarcastic about my education?......That's not nice...
Now this is sarcasm:

01101111 01110101 01110100 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01100101 01100100 01110101 01100011 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 00111111 00100000 01010100 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100111 01110011 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110100 00100000 01101110 01101001 01100011 01100101

G'nite.
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Old 07-16-2015, 10:00 PM
 
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Now this is sarcasm:

01101111 01110101 01110100 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01100101 01100100 01110101 01100011 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 00111111 00100000 01010100 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100111 01110011 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110100 00100000 01101110 01101001 01100011 01100101

G'nite.
Testy, are we?...
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