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Old 09-06-2015, 08:54 AM
 
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There is no obligation to make this nasty angry Judaism forum a kiruv forum. The standard in the Judaism forum is crankiness. In that guise, I'm not going to attempt any form of kiruv. Just the truth folks. It's an anonymous forum.

However, when posters here demonstrate an open mind towards Halacha, they do get treated differently. Look for my posts in this forum to 1+1=3 and JB from NC, both posters who are not frum but still highly respectful towards Halacha, and you will see a big difference in how I treat them. The rest of you are lost sheep, too angry and set in your progressive ways to be helped.
I am very interested im your opinion on the issues that I posted, Tff. Please tell me what you think about them.
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Old 09-06-2015, 04:01 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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What if one day they have a boy above the age of Bar Mitzvah and he wants to go to shul with me some time and we have 9 men? .....
I've been to 1000's of minyanim around the world and not one has ever asked me what type of Jew I was nor to pull down my pants to prove I'm one. A simple "yes" sufficed. Again it is NOT your place to judge the Jewishness of another. Judge yourself and no one else.
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Old 09-06-2015, 04:04 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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There is no obligation to make this nasty angry Judaism forum a kiruv forum. The standard in the Judaism forum is crankiness. In that guise, I'm not going to attempt any form of kiruv. Just the truth folks. It's an anonymous forum.

However, when posters here demonstrate an open mind towards Halacha, they do get treated differently. Look for my posts in this forum to 1+1=3 and JB from NC, both posters who are not frum but still highly respectful towards Halacha, and you will see a big difference in how I treat them. The rest of you are lost sheep, too angry and set in your progressive ways to be helped.
As bolded: You don't and you insult.
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Old 09-06-2015, 08:27 PM
 
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Ask is fine. Proof is another.


Here's an application to a Orthodox school. All they do is ask.

https://www.flatbush.org/images/uplo...%202015-16.pdf

How much does it cost (if you know) to attend such a school in NY~? Does it vary from state to state~? Just curious.




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I was raised ultra-reform, and my parents had the wisdom to teach me that interfaith marriage was unacceptable. But sadly that wasn't enough, as their other kids still married goyim. Without a foundation in Torah, there is nothing to stop a Jew from marrying a goy.

What is "ultra-reform"~? I've never heard of this. I've heard of "Reconstructionalist" Jews. Is it like them~?
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Old 09-06-2015, 08:38 PM
 
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I've been to 1000's of minyanim around the world and not one has ever asked me what type of Jew I was nor to pull down my pants to prove I'm one. A simple "yes" sufficed. Again it is NOT your place to judge the Jewishness of another. Judge yourself and no one else.
This reminds me of a scene in Hebrew Hammer (skip to 0:54):


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What if one day they have a boy above the age of Bar Mitzvah and he wants to go to shul with me some time and we have 9 men? What if at the dinner table he's with my family and he wants to be counted to make a zimun (where three adult men call each other to begin the meal's after beracha). This could be very complex finding ways to avoid embarrassing future nephews or nieces who think they are Jewish.
With so much intermarriage going on these days, there are probably a lot of BTs who don't even know that they aren't Jewish. Can you imagine it: non-Jews reciting kiddush, leading a zimun, and making up the 10th man of a minyan. Maybe TFF should volunteer to help weed out these imposters who are making frum Jews not be yotzei mitzvot and making them saying brachot levatala.

GLOSSARY:

BT: baal teshuva: a non-Orthodox or secular Jew who becomes an Orthodox Jew
yotzei mitzvot: to fulfill a commandment
bracha levatala: a blessing said in vain because the action to be blessed did not occur
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Old 09-06-2015, 09:01 PM
 
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With so much intermarriage going on these days, there are probably a lot of BTs who don't even know that they aren't Jewish. Can you imagine it: non-Jews reciting kiddush, leading a zimun, and making up the 10th man of a minyan. ... weed out these imposters who are making frum Jews not be yotzei mitzvot and making them saying brachot levatala.
i am not even a guy and I am aware of when someone is not included in a minyan, such as when there is a wait before the Torah can be read and there are ten men but they are still waiting so obviously one of them is not able to be included. it happens. it is not personal. it is like any other part of the service that is conducted following halacha, such as when there is a problem with one of the scrolls and there is a delay while they figure out what to do

so yes it happens, rather routinely from what I've seen

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Old 09-06-2015, 09:31 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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How much does it cost (if you know) to attend such a school in NY~? Does it vary from state to state~? Just curious.
This school is around $35k per year per student, but it can be lowered by filling out a Tuition Assistance application.
https://www.flatbush.org/images/uplo...15-16%20v4.pdf

Tuitions vary primarily from school to school.
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Old 09-06-2015, 09:36 PM
 
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This school is around $35k per year per student, but it can be lowered by filling out a Tuition Assistance application.
https://www.flatbush.org/images/uplo...15-16%20v4.pdf

Tuitions vary primarily from school to school.

WOW! More expensive than the Catholic schools here!

Tax info??? That's personal info and shouldn't be included in my opinion!
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Old 09-06-2015, 10:02 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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i am not even a guy and I am aware of when someone is not included in a minyan, such as when there is a wait before the Torah can be read and there are ten men but they are still waiting so obviously one of them is not able to be included. it happens. it is not personal. it is like any other part of the service that is conducted following halacha, such as when there is a problem with one of the scrolls and there is a delay while they figure out what to do

so yes it happens, rather routinely from what I've seen
It shouldn't. But from a Haredi POV it does under certain circumstances.


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However, add to the group the simplest Jew, someone who perhaps cannot properly read his prayer nor does he relay understand what he is saying, yet when he walks into the room he has now transformed to entire group and made them completeā€”a minyan.
Why Are Ten Men Needed for a Minyan? - Prayer
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Old 09-07-2015, 02:59 AM
 
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What is "ultra-reform"~? I've never heard of this. I've heard of "Reconstructionalist" Jews. Is it like them~?
Reconstructionist Judaism is more conservative than Reform. They keep kosher, for example. Well, you don't HAVE to, but it is very much encouraged and at their events you will likely be served only kosher food.

"Ultra-Reform" probably only means that they were very liberal and e.g. didn't even wear kippah in their synagogue. It's a remnant of a very radical Reform movement in Germany before WWII where Reform Judaism was started in the first place.
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