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Old 03-25-2018, 12:02 PM
 
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Bottom line is Orthodox Jews do not consider me really Jewish because I am not Orthodox (I am conservative).
The Orthodox control quite a bit in Israel and you can not be legally married in Israel unless you are Orthodox!
Israeli's have to fly to Cypress to get married. So there ya have it........

My opinion is simple, if the Nazi's would have sent you to the death camp because you have Jewish blood then your a Jew. If you want to be religious then you have a choice of reformed, Masorti, Modern Orthodox, etc, etc.

Knowing first hand, the Hasidic Jews in Israel consider themselves real Jews but yet will not enter into the IDF and leave the fighting for the others...... So who are the real Jews? Go to Israel and ask Israeli's what is a Jew?
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Old 03-25-2018, 12:21 PM
 
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Bottom line is Orthodox Jews do not consider me really Jewish because I am not Orthodox (I am conservative).
False. If orthodox Jews do not consider you Jewish, it is because you have neither a Jewish mother nor a valid conversion.
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My opinion is simple, if the Nazi's would have sent you to the death camp because you have Jewish blood then your a Jew.
So now Hitler is the halachic authority to consult on who is a Jew?
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So who are the real Jews? Go to Israel and ask Israeli's what is a Jew?
Depends on which Iraelis you ask. And the answers don't matter. They do not constitute the government, and it wouldn't matter if they did. The Israeli government is not the authority on who is Jewish.
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Old 03-25-2018, 07:37 PM
 
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False. If orthodox Jews do not consider you Jewish, it is because you have neither a Jewish mother nor a valid conversion.So now Hitler is the halachic authority to consult on who is a Jew? Depends on which Iraelis you ask. And the answers don't matter. They do not constitute the government, and it wouldn't matter if they did. The Israeli government is not the authority on who is Jewish.
I was thinking the same thing before I read your response...
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Old 03-26-2018, 08:37 PM
 
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Bottom line is Orthodox Jews do not consider me really Jewish because I am not Orthodox (I am conservative).
The Orthodox control quite a bit in Israel and you can not be legally married in Israel unless you are Orthodox!
Israeli's have to fly to Cypress to get married. So there ya have it........

My opinion is simple, if the Nazi's would have sent you to the death camp because you have Jewish blood then your a Jew. If you want to be religious then you have a choice of reformed, Masorti, Modern Orthodox, etc, etc.

Knowing first hand, the Hasidic Jews in Israel consider themselves real Jews but yet will not enter into the IDF and leave the fighting for the others...... So who are the real Jews? Go to Israel and ask Israeli's what is a Jew?
A self hating Jew is still a Jew (assuming mother is Jewish or with a fully halachic conversion).
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