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Old 05-14-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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Rabbi, would you be in agreement with Rabbi David Einhorn (1809-1879), who went one step further in that interpretation about biblical slavery, in that he stated that the regulation of slavery was intended to lead to the eventual end of slavery?

Here is an excerpt from Rabbi Einhorn's response to those who, during his time, defended slavery in the United States because it was in the Bible: "The question exclusively to be decided, is whether Scripture merely tolerates this institution as an evil not to be disregarded, and therefore infuses in its legislation a mild spirit gradually to lead to its dissolution, or whether it favors, approves of and justifies and sanctions it in its moral aspect?" Anti-Slavery Response of Dr. Einhorn
Catch a kid smoking and make him smoke a whole carton on cigarette after another and he’ll repent of his decision to smoke...
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Old 05-14-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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Sonof's heretical questioning was kind of interesting, even if it was obviously on the wrong forum. Not interesting enough, however, to spend much time on the "right" forum.
Here is another question then.
What would make any questioning heretical?
Is not any question on any subject should be welcome?
What would make a question heretical, undesirable etc?

As far as right/wrong forum, now I understand, this forum is "guarded" by axiomatic presupposition and, I guess, it is fine. Whatever. Rule is a rule.
But I did not come here to argue an existence of god, although I can handle myself in this type of debate with no problem. Two words drew me in - "Reasonable Bible".
I don't care what people's believes are as long as those believes don't lead to policies that effect my live.
But when word "reasonable" is used in conjunction with believes that I consider not reasonable, I become very curios.
Since we are dealing with direct logical negation (there is no third option), only one position is correct, and I need to know which one. I need to know not because I want to convince another side, like I said, I don't care. I want to make sure I'm not wrong, b/c if I am, I have to abandon mine wrong convictions, and switch.
I don't want to be wrong.
But I have to test another side first. That's what i did, and once again, I did not find competing arguments convincing at all.
If anyone still want to argue "reasonability" of the Bible, we can meet on the "right forum".
If not, that's fine too. Stay "guarded" and keep on feeling good and "right".
The only caviate being, that this feeling is faulty, for it's there not by virtue of reason. It is there only b/c it's protected by rule.
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Old 05-14-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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Rabbi, would you be in agreement with Rabbi David Einhorn (1809-1879), who went one step further in that interpretation about biblical slavery, in that he stated that the regulation of slavery was intended to lead to the eventual end of slavery?

Here is an excerpt from Rabbi Einhorn's response to those who, during his time, defended slavery in the United States because it was in the Bible: "The question exclusively to be decided, is whether Scripture merely tolerates this institution as an evil not to be disregarded, and therefore infuses in its legislation a mild spirit gradually to lead to its dissolution, or whether it favors, approves of and justifies and sanctions it in its moral aspect?" Anti-Slavery Response of Dr. Einhorn
This answer provides some similar discussion
https://judaism.stackexchange.com/a/10312/1362
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Old 05-14-2019, 12:38 PM
 
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This answer provides some similar discussion
https://judaism.stackexchange.com/a/10312/1362
This sounds a lot like what Rabbi Einhorn was talking about: ...instead, it was allowed, with significant "nudges" in the direction that it wasn't a good idea ... to allow for its gradual fadeaway.

Many thanks! I have to see if I can find it again, but there was some kind of eulogy written for Rabbi Einhorn a long time ago that was authored by both Reform and Orthodox Jews.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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Rabbi, is my understanding in post # 89 okay or is there something that I am missing?...
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Old 05-14-2019, 07:16 PM
 
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Rabbi, is my understanding in post # 89 okay or is there something that I am missing?...
The idea that the text uses language to help us identify with the divine goes well with the idea that we have freedom in order for us to develop a better understanding of ourselves.
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Old 05-15-2019, 01:57 AM
 
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The idea that the text uses language to help us identify with the divine goes well with the idea that we have freedom in order for us to develop a better understanding of ourselves.
Thanks, Rabbi...

So, then I should assume that I have a good grasp or understanding of the subject?...
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Old 05-15-2019, 04:36 AM
 
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Thanks, Rabbi...

So, then I should assume that I have a good grasp or understanding of the subject?...
I think that we should all view our grasp as a good start.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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I had to think about that for a minute, actually, all night...The best conclusion that I can come to is that HaShem has a plan from beginning to end that includes our screwups and His disappointments in the middle, but, being omniscient, He knows that we are growing and that eventually we will mature exactly when He has planned...I mean being that He has given us free will to err but also to learn and grow...
So why did he decide not to give us an opportunity to use our free will and err for a while by by mixing meat and milk?
Why that is so expressly prohibited? Did not he know that in this case too we will grow out our errors eventually and will mature exactly when he has planned?
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Old 05-15-2019, 02:41 PM
 
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I think that we should all view our grasp as a good start.
See?...You make me think for myself...Love you, Rabbi...
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