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Old 05-13-2019, 01:19 PM
 
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Thanks...Next question, how is it that G-d can repent?...
The word "nacham" (repent) is used to help us understand God in our limited fashion. This is the Ibn Ezra's understanding on Gen 6:5/6
https://www.sefaria.org/Genesis.6.6?...0Ezra&lang2=en

Rashi understands it differently. Check there.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:25 PM
 
Location: So. Cal.
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Thanks Rachel for finding that Rashi commentary. However, this part I still puzzle over:

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...it is better for Me that his heart be hardened, so that [I can] increase My signs and My wonders in him, and you will recognize My mighty deeds...
It sounds like Lord needs more suffering to fall on His people before they will pay attention to His presence? I suppose I can fathom that when one thinks of so many addicted or desolate folks who have to hit their hellish bottom before they are serious about turning away from that life.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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Thanks Rachel for finding that Rashi commentary. However, this part I still puzzle over:



It sounds like Lord needs more suffering to fall on His people before they will pay attention to His presence? I suppose I can fathom that when one thinks of so many addicted or desolate folks who have to hit their hellish bottom before they are serious about turning away from that life.
The longer his heart is hardened, the more miracles God will perform and the more His people will be able to see His actions.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:46 PM
 
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The word "nacham" (repent) is used to help us understand God in our limited fashion. This is the Ibn Ezra's understanding on Gen 6:5/6
https://www.sefaria.org/Genesis.6.6?...0Ezra&lang2=en

Rashi understands it differently. Check there.
But, if G-d knows everything, then how could He possibly repent of His decision, even if His giving us free-will for us to know ourselves, He already knows what is going to happen before we do, so how does that come as a surprise to Him that causes Him to repent of His decision?...
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:57 PM
 
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But, if G-d knows everything, then how could He possibly repent of His decision, even if His giving us free-will for us to know ourselves, He already knows what is going to happen before we do, so how does that come as a surprise to Him that causes Him to repent of His decision?...
It is about OUR understanding, not about his nature.
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Old 05-13-2019, 02:07 PM
 
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In Rabbi Moshe Miller's compilation of Sages on Genesis he quotes Rabbi Eliezar as choosing 'consolation' not regret, as the way to read 6:6. Based on 6:5 that humanity is generally motivated by evil, the Holy One is 'consoled' that a few like Noah & his sons were good.
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Old 05-13-2019, 02:20 PM
 
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In Rabbi Moshe Miller's compilation of Sages on Genesis he quotes Rabbi Eliezar as choosing 'consolation' not regret, as the way to read 6:6. Based on 6:5 that humanity is generally motivated by evil, the Holy One is 'consoled' that a few like Noah & his sons were good.

Was it humanity in the time of Noah that was generally motivated by evil, as opposed to humanity today? I like to think that, even though there is evil in the world, most people are decent and good.
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Old 05-13-2019, 04:07 PM
 
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Sonof's heretical questioning was kind of interesting, even if it was obviously on the wrong forum. Not interesting enough, however, to spend much time on the "right" forum.

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Old 05-14-2019, 05:43 AM
 
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It is about OUR understanding, not about his nature.
I had to think about that for a minute, actually, all night...The best conclusion that I can come to is that HaShem has a plan from beginning to end that includes our screwups and His disappointments in the middle, but, being omniscient, He knows that we are growing and that eventually we will mature exactly when He has planned...I mean being that He has given us free will to err but also to learn and grow...
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:55 AM
 
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They knew that their behavior was regulated but still had questions about day to day and specific applications. They knew that God wasn't a fan of slavery but that it was a reality so it was highly regulated.
Rabbi, would you be in agreement with Rabbi David Einhorn (1809-1879), who went one step further in that interpretation about biblical slavery, in that he stated that the regulation of slavery was intended to lead to the eventual end of slavery?

Here is an excerpt from Rabbi Einhorn's response to those who, during his time, defended slavery in the United States because it was in the Bible: "The question exclusively to be decided, is whether Scripture merely tolerates this institution as an evil not to be disregarded, and therefore infuses in its legislation a mild spirit gradually to lead to its dissolution, or whether it favors, approves of and justifies and sanctions it in its moral aspect?" Anti-Slavery Response of Dr. Einhorn
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