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Old 10-28-2018, 03:02 AM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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There was two kingdoms of Israel, the house of Israel known as the lost ten tribes were not Jews either.

For instance, most people know the story of Elijah but they connect Elijah with Jews when Elijah was not sent against Judah, he was sent against the kinbdom that abandoned Judah by abandoning Jerusalem with it's feasts in order to stay separate from the Jews of Judah.

Everyone reads the story of Elijah calling down fire from heaven as Jewish history when it is not, those 450 prophets of Baal were of the king Ahab and Queen Jezebel, not the king of Judah or the people of Judah.
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Old 10-28-2018, 03:52 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I have a couple questions about this. When did the government dissolve and why? They still existed during the time of Jesus, correct?

And though the government no longer exists today, the people do? If so, there are a ton of laws that are not followed because they were meant for that specific, theocratic nation, right?
First, remember that in my original answer, I mentioned that one is considered Jewish based on his or her mother's being Jewish.

Second, as to this question, the timeline of the 2 kingdoms is very quickly summarized here. After the destruction of the first temple and the resulting exile, the independent government ceased. That was well before Jesus' time.


What remained was a code of law, constantly explored and explained, which guided the people (read through the pages here for the historical backdrop).

Some of the laws apply only to temple times (and the temple practices, themselves), some are related to life in Israel, and some are about states of purity and impurity that we cannot police today, but a whole slew of them stays with us and drives our daily identity and behavior.
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Old 10-28-2018, 04:13 AM
 
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All of this is so interesting. Thanks again, rosends. I'll check the links right now.

Thanks to you, too, Hannibal Flavius, for your help. I appreciate it.
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Old 10-28-2018, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Hello everyone. New to the board and had a question for you guys.

So every person born after the flood was directly related to Noah and his family. The people born of Noah and His family were Jewish, so that being the case, there must have been a point in time when some people eventually were not considered Jewish, right? I've heard, "Once you're Jewish, you're always Jewish", but since everyone isn't Jewish today, I can't see how that statement can possibly be true. So my question is this: If it is true (that "Once you're Jewish, you're always Jewish"), why then isn't everyone Jewish today since we are all descendants of Noah? If that statement is not true, then when and how do people go from being a Jew to a non-Jew?
I'm curious as to why you thought Noah and his family were Jewish.
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Old 10-28-2018, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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I'm curious as to why you thought Noah and his family were Jewish.

Well the alternative is that in Islam, Noah and his family are Muslims. Since so much of the Quran is copied from the Tanakh then logic follows that people would consider them as Jewish.
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Old 10-28-2018, 10:54 AM
 
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Well the alternative is that in Islam, Noah and his family are Muslims. Since so much of the Quran is copied from the Tanakh then logic follows that people would consider them as Jewish.
While Islam might teach that they are Muslim, most Christians don't think they were Jewish.
I'll wait for the OP to answer the question.
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Old 10-28-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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While Islam might teach that they are Muslim, most Christians don't think they were Jewish.
I'll wait for the OP to answer the question.

Pure ignorance, if I'm being honest. For whatever reason, I just always thought that most of the people in the OT were Jewish.
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Old 11-02-2018, 12:41 PM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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Thanks Tzaphkiel and rosends.

So that's how someone becomes a Jew? Through conversion? Are there varying beliefs on this? I'm certain I've read that it's only through blood (in fact, I think I read that in a thread on here not too long ago) and that anyone not Jewish through blood is not really Jewish.

Also, how does one convert? What does one have to go through/do/say exactly to be converted?

You have to go to a rabbi and study Judaism. You need to answer questions before a panel of three rabbis called a bet din and commit to the Jewish people and its faith. You will need to take a ritual bath in a "mikveh" and if a male and not circumcized you will need to be circumcized. If already circumcized, or you have health issues making that impossible symbolic substitutes can be done, IIUC.

Orthodox and Conservative will ask you to commit to living by Jewish law, Reform, I think will not.

The rabbis on an orthodox bet din will all be male, not so for C and R.

Orthodox and Consverative will turn you away at first (by jewish law, three times) to make sure you are serious, and not being proselytized. Orthodox may do this more seriously than C. I don't think Reform bothers with that.
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Old 11-02-2018, 12:42 PM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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Well the alternative is that in Islam, Noah and his family are Muslims. Since so much of the Quran is copied from the Tanakh then logic follows that people would consider them as Jewish.
the quran shows influences from tanakh, but is also quite different. Seems odd to back interprert from the quran. And AFAIK Christians have always considered Abraham his descendants to be Jews.
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Old 11-02-2018, 12:44 PM
 
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You have to go to a rabbi and study Judaism. You need to answer questions before a panel of three rabbis called a bet din and commit to the Jewish people and its faith. You will need to take a ritual bath in a "mikveh" and if a male and not circumcized you will need to be circumcized. If already circumcized, or you have health issues making that impossible symbolic substitutes can be done, IIUC.

Orthodox and Conservative will ask you to commit to living by Jewish law, Reform, I think will not.

The rabbis on an orthodox bet din will all be male, not so for C and R.

Orthodox and Consverative will turn you away at first (by jewish law, three times) to make sure you are serious, and not being proselytized. Orthodox may do this more seriously than C. I don't think Reform bothers with that.
Whoa!...Ainít seen you in a while...
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