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Old 10-28-2018, 08:23 PM
 
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In light of the Pittsburgh shooting, I was wondering if the synagogues you attend have armed guards and/or other security measures (cameras, etc.). I was surprised to read that the Pittsburgh congregation didn't seem to have such security measures. What about the synagogues you either attend or know about?
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We have (on the Sabbath morning) an armed guard who stands at the end of the driveway. While that may dissuade the uncertain attacker, someone armed to the teeth is not going to be put off by one guy and a handgun who really isn't expecting any problems.
I generally consider security to be ineffectual. However an argument could be made that it dissuades the less motivated or organized attacker.
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Old 10-28-2018, 08:31 PM
 
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i've only attended smalls shuls, they have security cameras on all the time inside and outside. and multiple police visible at events and large services. i feel like it is a visible and effective deterrent, and I feel safer having them there, particularly at one shul where we were right across the street from a Middle Eastern market and "groups" would gather in that parking lot and "stare at the shul" which many people at the shul found uncomfortable.
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Old 10-28-2018, 08:36 PM
 
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For a long long time now we know that any group gathering will attract shooters, bombers, arsonists, etc.
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Old 10-29-2018, 05:35 AM
 
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I generally consider security to be ineffectual. However an argument could be made that it dissuades the less motivated or organized attacker.
I definitely think the visible security dissuades the less motivated/organized attacker. But I think it is also can be helpful against the more motivated/organized attacker as well.
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Old 10-29-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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I fear antifa and angry mobs more than lone gunmen. We need to prepare for the zombie apocalypse, and that means arming ourselves, not relying on a 9 dollar an hour rent a cop.
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Old 10-29-2018, 11:46 AM
 
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I think it is worth noting that at least four armed policemen were injured at the Pittsburgh incident. Having an armed guard is not necessarily an effective deterrent.
Our shul has an armed presence at times, but not always. That will be changing and doors will be locked. I have been to synagogues in other countries where we were prohibited from entering because we were not carrying our passports (U.S. driver's license was not sufficient validation of identity). Fortunately, we had been in communication with a congregant and he came along while we were still outside and enabled our entry.
We are heartbroken that any congregation of any faith faces this. Remember that a shooter in Kentucky tried to access a church this week but was denied entry. That would have been just as horrific...It's not just us.
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Old 10-29-2018, 04:04 PM
 
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I fear antifa and angry mobs more than lone gunmen. We need to prepare for the zombie apocalypse, and that means arming ourselves, not relying on a 9 dollar an hour rent a cop.
Zombie apocalypse?...Eh???...
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Old 10-29-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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Zombie apocalypse?...Eh???...
It’s not nice to accuse liberal mobs. Hence zombies..
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Old 10-29-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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I had no idea about this, How long have Jewish people had to have armed security at the temples around the nation?
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Old 10-29-2018, 06:49 PM
 
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I had no idea about this, How long have Jewish people had to have armed security at the temples around the nation?
Longer than they have realized.
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