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Old 10-28-2018, 06:42 PM
 
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This thread is going to be controversial but it's got to be said.

We need to start protecting our communities better.

It's no secret that America is becoming more radicalized on both sides. Polarization and group think is creating fewer discussion and separating us into factions.

If you start treading towards those darker avenues of the internet and view these extremist sites on both sides, the comments sections are littered with antisemitic calls. History has proven that the radical left and right are no friends of the Jews. These voices are getting louder and accepted.

With the Pittsburgh attack it exposed a vulnerability: our shuls. We are simply not equipped as a community to defend ourselves. As professionals we have far more doctors and lawyers than police or ex-military. Not a whole lot of us are trained in firearms and self defence.

Now that we have been exposed and the shooter was able to get away with the crime still alive there will be more of these. We are too open of a target.

I thjnk we need to create a concerted effort in self defense. Make sure to encourage the procurement of firearms in states that have less restrictions. Have classes that teach how to properly operate if need be.

Our communities are too vulnerable and we rely too much on the authorities to help us. We shouldn't allow ourselves to become victims when (not if) these groups become more and more radical. If they do not see us as weak they will think twice about attacking another synagogue.
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Old 10-28-2018, 07:23 PM
 
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This thread is going to be controversial but it's got to be said.

We need to start protecting our communities better.

It's no secret that America is becoming more radicalized on both sides. Polarization and group think is creating fewer discussion and separating us into factions.

If you start treading towards those darker avenues of the internet and view these extremist sites on both sides, the comments sections are littered with antisemitic calls. History has proven that the radical left and right are no friends of the Jews. These voices are getting louder and accepted.

With the Pittsburgh attack it exposed a vulnerability: our shuls. We are simply not equipped as a community to defend ourselves. As professionals we have far more doctors and lawyers than police or ex-military. Not a whole lot of us are trained in firearms and self defence.

Now that we have been exposed and the shooter was able to get away with the crime still alive there will be more of these. We are too open of a target.

I thjnk we need to create a concerted effort in self defense. Make sure to encourage the procurement of firearms in states that have less restrictions. Have classes that teach how to properly operate if need be.

Our communities are too vulnerable and we rely too much on the authorities to help us. We shouldn't allow ourselves to become victims when (not if) these groups become more and more radical. If they do not see us as weak they will think twice about attacking another synagogue.
Where were you brought up?

The murdering ganstes are obvious.
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Old 10-29-2018, 07:33 AM
 
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This thread is going to be controversial but it's got to be said.

We need to start protecting our communities better.

It's no secret that America is becoming more radicalized on both sides. Polarization and group think is creating fewer discussion and separating us into factions.

If you start treading towards those darker avenues of the internet and view these extremist sites on both sides, the comments sections are littered with antisemitic calls. History has proven that the radical left and right are no friends of the Jews. These voices are getting louder and accepted.

With the Pittsburgh attack it exposed a vulnerability: our shuls. We are simply not equipped as a community to defend ourselves. As professionals we have far more doctors and lawyers than police or ex-military. Not a whole lot of us are trained in firearms and self defence.

Now that we have been exposed and the shooter was able to get away with the crime still alive there will be more of these. We are too open of a target.

I thjnk we need to create a concerted effort in self defense. Make sure to encourage the procurement of firearms in states that have less restrictions. Have classes that teach how to properly operate if need be.

Our communities are too vulnerable and we rely too much on the authorities to help us. We shouldn't allow ourselves to become victims when (not if) these groups become more and more radical. If they do not see us as weak they will think twice about attacking another synagogue.

Extremists are no one's friend.

My answer is political. It is, vote. Run for office. Reach out to other faiths who share your concerns.



Deciding to conceal or open carry, is an enormous responsibility. Prepare for the PSTD aftermath should you every have to defend your space.
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Old 10-29-2018, 04:41 PM
 
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My partner and I have had this conversation. He wants me to get a gun for protection because he is incredibly concerned about anti-semitism. I have neither the time nor inclination nor money to go to the range 2 or 3 times a week to build muscle memory and aiming skills - and even then, I know of no range that has moving targets that you have to focus on while trying to not hit other innocent moving targets in the room. I, personally, feel like I would be more of a risk to myself and others if I was armed.
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Old 10-29-2018, 06:43 PM
 
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My partner and I have had this conversation. He wants me to get a gun for protection because he is incredibly concerned about anti-semitism. I have neither the time nor inclination nor money to go to the range 2 or 3 times a week to build muscle memory and aiming skills - and even then, I know of no range that has moving targets that you have to focus on while trying to not hit other innocent moving targets in the room. I, personally, feel like I would be more of a risk to myself and others if I was armed.
Yeah, you would be, if no one was shooting at any of you, but, then, you probably wouldn't pull a gun if no one was shooting at you. It is EXACTLY people like YOU, who recognize the issues, who can be trained to respond effectively and responsibly. After initial learning, you don't have to practice two or three times a week, or even quite two or three times a month.

I think that Pittsburgh demonstrated, once again, the value of no armed response.
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