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Old 04-11-2019, 08:43 AM
 
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God has a reason for people to convert to Judaism before they get married yes.
I think that there are some people whose reason to convert has more to do with expediting a Jewish wedding and appeasing future in-laws, than having a genuine desire to embrace Judaism.

I also think that there are some people who eventually learn to love and embrace Judaism as much as they love and embrace their married mate. I think that G-d works His Will in such marriages.
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Old 04-11-2019, 01:25 PM
 
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Intermarriage - What should we do about it?

Toast the happy couple and wish them well.
Only my one aunt and her two small kids did not attend my wedding because I got married in a Church. My wife has as little religious thinking as I did however the tradition in her small town was to marry in the church. Her family was mostly wedding and funeral Christians meaning that was about the only times they went to church.

We are both atheists now although she spent some years reading up Wicca. Politically I have moved to the left and she slightly to the right so we are actually closer there they when we gotvmarried. TroutDude I thought of myself as Red Tory or a Stanfield - Clark conservative and still think the Lougheed had the greatest impact in my political views.

But we have been together for over 40 years and still very much in love. I never had much contact with other Jews growing up in a small prairie town I would never be willing to step in between a couple who loves each other to stop them from marrying because they are of different religions, race or political stripes. Love , respect and be honest and faithful to each other.
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Old 04-11-2019, 01:46 PM
 
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Only my one aunt and her two small kids did not attend my wedding because I got married in a Church. My wife has as little religious thinking as I did however the tradition in her small town was to marry in the church. Her family was mostly wedding and funeral Christians meaning that was about the only times they went to church.

We are both atheists now although she spent some years reading up Wicca. Politically I have moved to the left and she slightly to the right so we are actually closer there they when we gotvmarried. TroutDude I thought of myself as Red Tory or a Stanfield - Clark conservative and still think the Lougheed had the greatest impact in my political views.

But we have been together for over 40 years and still very much in love. I never had much contact with other Jews growing up in a small prairie town I would never be willing to step in between a couple who loves each other to stop them from marrying because they are of different religions, race or political stripes. Love , respect and be honest and faithful to each other.
40 years, thatís beautiful...
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Old 04-11-2019, 04:56 PM
 
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Only my one aunt and her two small kids did not attend my wedding because I got married in a Church. My wife has as little religious thinking as I did however the tradition in her small town was to marry in the church. Her family was mostly wedding and funeral Christians meaning that was about the only times they went to church.

We are both atheists now although she spent some years reading up Wicca. Politically I have moved to the left and she slightly to the right so we are actually closer there they when we gotvmarried. TroutDude I thought of myself as Red Tory or a Stanfield - Clark conservative and still think the Lougheed had the greatest impact in my political views.

But we have been together for over 40 years and still very much in love. I never had much contact with other Jews growing up in a small prairie town I would never be willing to step in between a couple who loves each other to stop them from marrying because they are of different religions, race or political stripes. Love , respect and be honest and faithful to each other.

Badlander, you and your wife sound like you'll be forever on your honeymoon. Kindness and respect towards others (I believe) is a contributing factor towards a long and happy marriage between spouses. Much love to you both!
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Old 04-11-2019, 05:16 PM
 
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Badlander, you and your wife sound like you'll be forever on your honeymoon. Kindness and respect towards others (I believe) is a contributing factor towards a long and happy marriage between spouses. Much love to you both!
Thanks, we have had some rough patches , especially when money was tight. Both retired and looking forward to decades more together.
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Old 04-11-2019, 05:19 PM
 
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Only my one aunt and her two small kids did not attend my wedding because I got married in a Church. My wife has as little religious thinking as I did however the tradition in her small town was to marry in the church. Her family was mostly wedding and funeral Christians meaning that was about the only times they went to church.

We are both atheists now although she spent some years reading up Wicca. Politically I have moved to the left and she slightly to the right so we are actually closer there they when we gotvmarried. TroutDude I thought of myself as Red Tory or a Stanfield - Clark conservative and still think the Lougheed had the greatest impact in my political views.

But we have been together for over 40 years and still very much in love. I never had much contact with other Jews growing up in a small prairie town I would never be willing to step in between a couple who loves each other to stop them from marrying because they are of different religions, race or political stripes. Love , respect and be honest and faithful to each other.
It’s not about stepping in between people it is about giving people the information to make the right choices. It certainly is not about race either as Jews are of all different races. It is about making the decision to live a Jewish life and ensuring that the next generation is Jewish.

If everyone made the decision to intermarry there would not be many of us left. Unfortunately, today when the majority of our people in the U.S. are making that decision and only a small percentage of their children are being raised as Jews we are on course to potentially lose millions of people.

There is a famous saying from Hillel that a lot of people quote:
“If I am not for myself who will be for me? But if I am only for myself who am I? If not now when?”

I think that before people decide to intermarry they should ask themselves some questions:
Am I only for myself? Or do I care enough about my G-d and my people to make the effort to find someone who is Jewish?

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Old 04-11-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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I think that before people decide to intermarry they should ask themselves some questions:
Am I only for myself? Or do I care enough about my G-d and my people to make the effort to find someone who is Jewish?

If the person you really want to marry just happens to be Jewish. That's fine. Keep in mind you are reading a book of which some passages were intended as metaphors. You eventually have the reality of science. It can only be avoided for just so long.



So. . .What does the Hebrew Bible say about marriage in some cases ?


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Rabbi Dovid Rosenfeld - It is permitted under Torah law for cousins to marry. In fact, the Sages seem to view marriages between relatives as desirable. The Talmud recommends that a person marry his niece (Yevamot 62b). (Thereís a debate in the commentators if it applies specifically to a sisterís daughter or also to a brotherís.) The assumption is that a person will have an especially close relationship with a close relative, perhaps because of their likely similar personalities and values.

I won't argue that either. This is also someone's own business. Something some people have a hard time minding. Life is about using our freewill, up to and including if we decided on a plural marriage. If anyone is being pressured to marry anyone not of their own choosing. I object !
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Old 04-11-2019, 08:49 PM
 
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If the person you really want to marry just happens to be Jewish. That's fine. Keep in mind you are reading a book of which some passages were intended as metaphors. You eventually have the reality of science. It can only be avoided for just so long.



So. . .What does the Hebrew Bible say about marriage in some cases ?





I won't argue that either. This is also someone's own business. Something some people have a hard time minding. Life is about using our freewill, up to and including if we decided on a plural marriage. If anyone is being pressured to marry anyone not of their own choosing. I object !
Yes, we have freewill, but that does not give us the license to do what ever we want and call it moral. By your logic crimes like murder and stealing would be fine because we have the freewill to commit them.

G-d gives us freewill so we can make the right choices in life and through them become better people. Intermarriage is wrong on many levels. Just because we have the freewill to do it does not make it right.
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Old 04-12-2019, 04:38 PM
 
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Yes, we have freewill, but that does not give us the license to do what ever we want and call it moral. By your logic crimes like murder and stealing would be fine because we have the freewill to commit them.

G-d gives us freewill so we can make the right choices in life and through them become better people. Intermarriage is wrong on many levels. Just because we have the freewill to do it does not make it right.

Your statement appears exaggerated. I would ask . . . Is there any 1 instance of intermarriage that would be acceptable ? This would be a Jew entering marriage to a non-Jew.
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Old 04-12-2019, 05:20 PM
 
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Intermarriage is wrong on many levels.

Intermarriage isn't wrong "on many levels." It is wrong on only one level, and that pertains to whether or not one is Torah observant.
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