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Old 02-28-2019, 12:03 PM
 
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I have no intention of trying to pass myself off as a Jew, or claim what I admire as my own qualities. And I understand that I could get anti-Semitic (sp?) treatment for wearing it. I'm willing to take that risk. But my problem is that I don't want to offend anyone. If your people don't like a gentile wearing one, then mine will stay in a drawer.

I'm assuming a bit of an explanation behind my feelings is in order.

Religious study is a minor hobby of mine. I like to know what people believe, and possibly why they believe in said religion. Is it because it's your heritage? Is it the only religion you have ever been taught? Or are you just searching for something to believe and you latched on to the first thing you came to?. I've studied Christianity (both Catholic and Protestant), Buddhism, a little Islam, Paganism, Wicca, and several LHP religions including Satanism, Luciferianism, and even a bit of devil worship. I've checked out Judaism before, but it's been the most difficult for me. that's not meant to be an insult in any way, there's just a lot more to it than any of the other religions I've checked out.

Now according to my own research, Judaism is somewhere in the range of 15-20000 years old. Which means it predates even the last ice age, also making it the oldest religion on the planet. Now look at your history. Slavery in Egypt. Wandering the desert for 40 years searching for the land God promised you, Inquisition, Holocaust, Martin Luther and Walt Disney, and rampant anti-Semitism that you face every day of your lives. Now go look in a mirror. You'll see a Jew who is still strong, still faithful, still proud, still refusing to give in to the hate. Anyone who can go through what your people have faced, and remain deserves admiration in my opinion. There are religions that have come and gone in less than 100 years. They got prejudice and folded because the people were scared. Judaism didn't do that. Granted, I know there's an ******* in every group regardless of what kind of group it is. But as a whole I truly admire the Jewish people.

Now I'm sure I missed a lot of events, either I forgot about it or flat out don't know about it.
Iíd say based on that explanation, you should wear it. And when people ask you about, just explain it like you did here. You sound like a righteous gentile. (And Judaism is really about 3300 years old, dating back to the giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai. Or if you want, you could go back another 300 or so years to Yaakov, Ambrahamís grandson).
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Old 02-28-2019, 06:50 PM
 
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Iíd say based on that explanation, you should wear it. And when people ask you about, just explain it like you did here. You sound like a righteous gentile. (And Judaism is really about 3300 years old, dating back to the giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai. Or if you want, you could go back another 300 or so years to Yaakov, Ambrahamís grandson).
Or wear such an emblem If you Love you know who with all your heart and soul. In such measure assure them you are no gentile(pagan).

Otherwise the emblem itself is useless in conveying affection.

Exept maybe a conversation about geometry.
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Old 03-03-2019, 01:45 AM
 
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And what is more important to you, the qualities that you admire or the reaction you might get by advertising that admiration?

There is an interesting term called BIRGing described by Wikipedia as follows:



Another thing that comes to mind is מַרְאִית עַיִן (marit `ayin) which refers to avoiding the appearance of impropriety. So, for example, it's a an otherwise warm and lovely Yom Kippur day and you are out enjoying a double beef whopper with cheese at your favorite Burger King. Many will simply ignore you (and your Star of David) but some will see an apparent Jew blatantly disgracing her traditions. How does this convey admiration?

There are many ways in which you can demonstrate your admiration: two that come readily to mind would be a modest donation to the Anti-Defamation League or the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

L'shalom.

There is no ענין of מראית עיין here as the Magen David is not a religious symbol . In fact it is mostly worn by secular Jews. Religious Jews in general do not wear it. So someone with it eating publically on Kippur would or should not be judged. Since itís most likely that he or she is a secular Jew. Or an extreme secular Jew m
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Old 03-03-2019, 04:16 AM
 
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There is no ענין of מראית עיין here as the Magen David is not a religious symbol . In fact it is mostly worn by secular Jews. Religious Jews in general do not wear it. So someone with it eating publically on Kippur would or should not be judged. Since itís most likely that he or she is a secular Jew. Or an extreme secular Jew m
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David
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Old 03-03-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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There is no ענין of מראית עיין here as the Magen David is not a religious symbol . In fact it is mostly worn by secular Jews. Religious Jews in general do not wear it. So someone with it eating publically on Kippur would or should not be judged. Since it’s most likely that he or she is a secular Jew. Or an extreme secular Jew m
No. A Jew is a Jew. It is divisive and unnecessary (and in this instance i find it offensive) to label Jews as secular or religious. It is also inaccurate what is stated in the post above.

The star of David is most definitely a religious symbol that is in our current times associated with Judaism.

https://www.chabad.org/library/artic...gnificance.htm

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Old 03-03-2019, 08:13 PM
 
Location: small Southern town balabusta
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I need to state first off that I'm not Jewish. That is the reason for this post.

My question is about the Star of David. I need to know if it would be considered offensive for someone who is not Jewish to wear one. My reason for wearing one would be simple. I admire the Jewish people. I can go into detail about that if anyone wants. But I wanted to ask this question first.
I've seen the Magen David worn by gentiles, and I've asked about it occasionally to the people. I initially got my hopes up that they were also Jewish in this small southern town, but alas, they were not. It seems that they were instead wearing them as friends of the Jews, which was okay to me, although a little odd. I have seen two non-Jewish people in about 4 years wearing them. I did see one on a Jewish man a few weeks ago, so that was three people. Of note, I listen to patient's hearts and lungs almost daily, so that's how I see all of this jewelry (as well as some interesting tattoos on some that seem to base their faith in hate).

I would like to challenge you to soar with your respect for our people in a pragmatic fashion, however. Adorn your soul with adoration and kindness for all beings. It'll be less apparent visually, but yields more of a robust, beautiful, pure trait that heals this world. Help repair this world by being kinder than necessary in any interaction, and by performing good deeds, and by studying and learning all you can. I can't say that I always follow my own advice, but I try.

Kind regards,



CT
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Old 03-05-2019, 04:50 PM
 
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There is no ענין of מראית עיין here as the Magen David is not a religious symbol . In fact it is mostly worn by secular Jews.
How does one say "absurd non sequitur" in Hebrew?
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:35 PM
 
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how does one say "absurd non sequitur" in hebrew?
מעורב
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Old 03-10-2019, 12:44 AM
 
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No. A Jew is a Jew. It is divisive and unnecessary (and in this instance i find it offensive) to label Jews as secular or religious. It is also inaccurate what is stated in the post above.

The star of David is most definitely a religious symbol that is in our current times associated with Judaism.

https://www.chabad.org/library/artic...gnificance.htm
In jewellery no

Religious jews do not wear Magen David that is something only for the seculars
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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In jewellery no

Religious jews do not wear Magen David that is something only for the seculars
I have no doubt that the multitudes of religious Jews that do wear a magen David are completely dumbfounded by your ignorant statement.
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