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Old 04-15-2019, 06:48 AM
 
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I often read the articles at Chabad.org, and this one in particular is one of my favorites. Not so much because of the mysticism of Kabalah as expressed by the author of this article, but because I find myself returning to it often in an attempt to understand the various motivations of fellow Jews and how, regardless of our differences, we are really all one family.

The author asserts that the Twelve Tribes represent twelve different personalities and "Twelve paths. All necessary to reach our destination." The author also asks us to consider this: "Which personality are you? What part do you need to develop?"

Reading this article, I'm pretty certain that my personality is Napthali: "The free spirit personality. Like a ‘deer running free’ – breaking out of the status quo." But I know that this is not the sum total of who I need to be -- that all the Tribes and Personalities make up who we are as a people.

Here is the link to the article. Which personality are you?

https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/arti...elve-Paths.htm
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:11 AM
 
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Hi. I'm another Rachel!

I know I'm not responding directly to your question, but I want to share that I've recently become involved with Chabad. I find them so warm and welcoming, and they are appreciative of whatever level of observance you choose to follow. They have wonderful classes and great holiday celebrations - I'll be going to the Seder this Friday for the second year in a row - and they send out an interesting weekly 'pre-Shabbos" email full of stories and guidance (particularly as it relates to upcoming holidays).

Wherever I move in retirement, I will be sure to factor in the location of the nearest Chabad House. It's a ready-made community, full of support, and provides such value to the Jewish people.
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:26 AM
 
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Hi. I'm another Rachel!

I know I'm not responding directly to your question, but I want to share that I've recently become involved with Chabad. I find them so warm and welcoming, and they are appreciative of whatever level of observance you choose to follow. They have wonderful classes and great holiday celebrations - I'll be going to the Seder this Friday for the second year in a row - and they send out an interesting weekly 'pre-Shabbos" email full of stories and guidance (particularly as it relates to upcoming holidays).

Wherever I move in retirement, I will be sure to factor in the location of the nearest Chabad House. It's a ready-made community, full of support, and provides such value to the Jewish people.

*waves to another Rachel!*

Hi, Rachel! I love everything about Chabad, too! Their kindness is exceptional, and they are not judgmental. Here's an example of one experience I had recently: When the Mitzvah Tank was parked on 6th Avenue (across from Bryant Park in NYC), I went to see it out of curiosity. I'm not frum, but that didn't matter to Rabbi Yehuda. While climbing up the steps into the Mitzvah Tank, I tripped and went sprawling headfirst onto the floor. Rabbi Yehuda was so worried that I might have hurt myself, and he kindly took my arm and helped me up. I know that it's inappropriate for frum men to touch a woman who is a stranger to them, but also that concern for a person in danger overrides that rule. He was wonderful, and he offered both me and the person who was with me some hamentashen. I have had so many other positive encounters with Chabad-Lubavitchers, as well.
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:48 AM
 
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*waves to another Rachel!*

Hi, Rachel! I love everything about Chabad, too! Their kindness is exceptional, and they are not judgmental. Here's an example of one experience I had recently: When the Mitzvah Tank was parked on 6th Avenue (across from Bryant Park in NYC), I went to see it out of curiosity. I'm not frum, but that didn't matter to Rabbi Yehuda. While climbing up the steps into the Mitzvah Tank, I tripped and went sprawling headfirst onto the floor. Rabbi Yehuda was so worried that I might have hurt myself, and he kindly took my arm and helped me up. I know that it's inappropriate for frum men to touch a woman who is a stranger to them, but also that concern for a person in danger overrides that rule. He was wonderful, and he offered both me and the person who was with me some hamentashen. I have had so many other positive encounters with Chabad-Lubavitchers, as well.
Yes, definitely. Danger to a person overrides every rule. If you're starving and the only thing available is pork, eat it. If it's Yom Kippur and you see a severely injured person who can't wait for an ambulance (with no other options), drive them to the hospital. If you've just had beef brisket for dinner and the only desert available is a big ice cream sundae, well....never mind....I'm joking. (As my mom used to say, it wouldn't hurt you to eat a piece of fruit!)

I am SO glad I discovered the warmth and welcome of Chabad. The Rabbi is wonderful, too. Greets everyone by name and remembers all sorts of details. (Same thing with the Rabbi's wife. Once a month we get together on a Thursday evening for a big Challah bake, and then we deliver them the next morning to local nursing homes. Such camaraderie, and a mitzvah too!)
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:51 AM
 
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Yes, definitely. Danger to a person overrides every rule. If you're starving and the only thing available is pork, eat it. If it's Yom Kippur and you see a severely injured person who can't wait for an ambulance (with no other options), drive them to the hospital. If you've just had beef brisket for dinner and the only desert available is a big ice cream sundae, well....never mind....I'm joking. (As my mom used to say, it wouldn't hurt you to eat a piece of fruit!)

LOL!


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I am SO glad I discovered the warmth and welcome of Chabad. The Rabbi is wonderful, too. Greets everyone by name and remembers all sorts of details. (Same thing with the Rabbi's wife. Once a month we get together on a Thursday evening for a big Challah bake, and then we deliver them the next morning to local nursing homes. Such camaraderie, and a mitzvah too!)

I'm happy for you, too!
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Old 04-18-2019, 03:34 AM
 
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I often read the articles at Chabad.org, and this one in particular is one of my favorites. Not so much because of the mysticism of Kabalah as expressed by the author of this article, but because I find myself returning to it often in an attempt to understand the various motivations of fellow Jews and how, regardless of our differences, we are really all one family.

The author asserts that the Twelve Tribes represent twelve different personalities and "Twelve paths. All necessary to reach our destination." The author also asks us to consider this: "Which personality are you? What part do you need to develop?"

Reading this article, I'm pretty certain that my personality is Napthali: "The free spirit personality. Like a ‘deer running free’ – breaking out of the status quo." But I know that this is not the sum total of who I need to be -- that all the Tribes and Personalities make up who we are as a people.

Here is the link to the article. Which personality are you?

https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/arti...elve-Paths.htm
I Love Chabad, spent weeks months and years reading there.

Look up Genesis 49 and know that you are looking at a progressive ladder that begins bad and steadily progresses.

Know that those 12 tribes are situated around the temple in 4 directions that in each direction has 3 names, and 3 constellations by which the tribes camped.

The prophesies of Jacob in Genesis 49 are extraordinary in showing a pregressive ladder in 4 steps, and these 4 steps are You going from one camp to the next until you come to Naphtali, and in Naphtali, you have reached the height of your walk, set free as a calf released from the stall, and once you have reached Naphtali, you are in Joseph, and thus, you get to be the wolf.

In Reaching Naphtali, you had begun your walk in Rueben's camp and you have moved through each camp until you have come to the last camp in Naphtali, in Joseph, and in Benjamin.


Jerusalem is built in Benjamin, the beloved of the Lord.

Jacob's prophesies depict a for sure future as he says,'' Let me tell you what the future holds.''

Everything Jacob said is true, and came true in my opinion, but what is even more remarkable is Moses revising what Jacob had said.

Genesis 49 is a guideline and a mirror to Moses revising Genesis 49 in Deut 33.

We look at great hope in what Moses did and comparing the two chapters is really to learn alot about the mixing of tribes and the refining down of tribes as it has occured today.


All tribes are contained amongst Jews right now, but all are Jews, all of are Judah even though there are distinctions, there is no more struggle like there was during the whole history of the two kingdoms. All have become one under David.


Well, as a Gentile I am obsessed with the study of the science of the 12 tribes, and it is indeed a science on so many levels.

My favorite part is what Moses says of Judah because it simply shows us Simeon IN Judah when he says,'' HEAR LORD, THE VOICE OF JUDAH.''

It is the same as saying,'' Hear Lord, the voice of Simeon in Judah.''

Genesis 49,'' What Jacob Said.''
Jacob Blesses his Sons


1And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you*that*which shall befall you in the last days.

2Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father.

3Reuben, thou*art*my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:

4Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou*it: he went up to my couch.

5Simeon and Levi*are*brethren; instruments of cruelty*are in*their habitations.

6O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.

7Cursed*be*their anger, for*it was*fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.

8Judah, thou*art he*whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand*shall be*in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.

9Judah*is*a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?

10The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him*shall*the gathering of the people*be.

11Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

12His eyes*shall be*red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.

13Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he*shall be*for an haven of ships; and his border*shall be*unto Zidon.

14Issachar*is*a strong ass couching down between two burdens:

15And he saw that rest*was*good, and the land that*it was*pleasant; and bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a servant unto tribute.

16Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.

17Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

18I have waited for thy salvation, O LORD.

19Gad, a troop shall overcome him: but he shall overcome at the last.

20Out of Asher his bread*shall be*fat, and he shall yield royal dainties.

21Naphtali*is*a hind let loose: he giveth goodly words.

22Joseph*is*a fruitful bough,*even*a fruitful bough by a well;*whose*branches run over the wall:

23The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot*at him, and hated him:

24But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty*God*of Jacob; (from thence*is*the shepherd, the stone of Israel

25Even*by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:

26The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

27Benjamin shall ravin*as*a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.

28All these*are*the twelve tribes of Israel: and this*is it*that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.

The Death of Jacob

29And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave that*is*in the field of Ephron the Hittite,*30In the cave that*is*in the field of Machpelah, which*is*before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace.*31There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.*32The purchase of the field and of the cave that*istherein*was*from the children of Heth.*33And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.

What Moses said
The Majesty of God

1And this*is*the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.

2And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand*went*a fiery law for them.

3Yea, he loved the people; all his saints*are*in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet;*every oneshall receive of thy words.

4Moses commanded us a law,*even*the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob.

5And he was king in Jeshurun, when the heads of the people*and*the tribes of Israel were gathered together.

The Blessings of the Twelve Tribes

6Let Reuben live, and not die; and let*not*his men be few.

7And this*is the blessing*of Judah: and he said, Hear, LORD, the voice of Judah, and bring him unto his people: let his hands be sufficient for him; and be thou an help*to him*from his enemies.

8And of Levi he said,*Let*thy Thummim and thy Urim*be*with thy holy one, whom thou didst prove at Massah,*and with*whom thou didst strive at the waters of Meribah;

9Who said unto his father and to his mother, I have not seen him; neither did he acknowledge his brethren, nor knew his own children: for they have observed thy word, and kept thy covenant.

10They shall teach Jacob thy judgments, and Israel thy law: they shall put incense before thee, and whole burnt sacrifice upon thine altar.

11Bless, LORD, his substance, and accept the work of his hands: smite through the loins of them that rise against him, and of them that hate him, that they rise not again.

12And*of Benjamin he said, The beloved of the LORD shall dwell in safety by him;*and the LORD*shall cover him all the day long, and he shall dwell between his shoulders.

13And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the LORD*behis land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,

14And for the precious fruits*brought forth*by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,

15And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills,

16And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and*for*the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let*the blessing*come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him*that was*separated from his brethren.

17His glory*is like*the firstling of his bullock, and his horns*are like*the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they*are*the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they*are*the thousands of Manasseh.

18And of Zebulun he said, Rejoice, Zebulun, in thy going out; and, Issachar, in thy tents.

19They shall call the people unto the mountain; there they shall offer sacrifices of righteousness: for they shall suck*of*the abundance of the seas, and*of*treasures hid in the sand.

20And of Gad he said, Blessed*be*he that enlargeth Gad: he dwelleth as a lion, and teareth the arm with the crown of the head.

21And he provided the first part for himself, because there,*in*a portion of the lawgiver,*was he*seated; and he came with the heads of the people, he executed the justice of the LORD, and his judgments with Israel.

22And of Dan he said, Dan*is*a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan.

23And of Naphtali he said, O Naphtali, satisfied with favour, and full with the blessing of the LORD: possess thou the west and the south.

24And of Asher he said,*Let*Asher*be*blessed with children; let him be acceptable to his brethren, and let him dip his foot in oil.

25Thy shoes*shall be*iron and brass; and as thy days,*so shall*thy strength*be.

The Excellence of Israel

26There is*none like unto the God of Jeshurun,*who*rideth upon the heaven in thy help, and in his excellency on the sky.

27The eternal God*is thy*refuge, and underneath*are*the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy*them.

28Israel then shall dwell in safety alone: the fountain of Jacob*shall be*upon a land of corn and wine; also his heavens shall drop down dew.

29Happy*art*thou, O Israel: who*is*like unto thee, O people saved by the LORD, the shield of thy help, and who*is*the sword of thy excellency! and thine enemies shall be found liars unto thee; and thou shalt tread upon their high places.

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Old 04-18-2019, 04:58 AM
 
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That's pretty interesting, Hannibal. Where did you learn about the progressive ladder in 4 steps, and that these 4 steps mean that one is going from one camp to the next?
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Old 04-18-2019, 01:04 PM
 
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That's pretty interesting, Hannibal. Where did you learn about the progressive ladder in 4 steps, and that these 4 steps mean that one is going from one camp to the next?
The ladder appeared to me about 20 years ago lol, when I was studying the progression of the temple and how it is all designed in a progression moving from level to level from the camp to more inner circle of priests to the high priests, that we begin in a brazen court with an alter of burnt offering in a progression of value and knowledge to the Holy place and then the progression to the holy of holies.

The outer brazen court to eating the bread of the 12 loaves each week under the light of the lamps of God In the Holy place that only Israel may do.

Like I said, I have been obsessed with learning the science of the tribes for a long time, and I was just sitting there one day and it just appeared obvious to me that it was a progressive ladder, and the ladder is revised by Moses.

I would go on speaking forever on this subject, there is just so much there. It is all a progression leading to the breastplate of the high priest in his covering of precious stones with the names of the 12 tribes.

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Old 04-18-2019, 04:26 PM
 
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The ladder appeared to me about 20 years ago lol, when I was studying the progression of the temple and how it is all designed in a progression moving from level to level from the camp to more inner circle of priests to the high priests, that we begin in a brazen court with an alter of burnt offering in a progression of value and knowledge to the Holy place and then the progression to the holy of holies.

The outer brazen court to eating the bread of the 12 loaves each week under the light of the lamps of God In the Holy place that only Israel may do.

Like I said, I have been obsessed with learning the science of the tribes for a long time, and I was just sitting there one day and it just appeared obvious to me that it was a progressive ladder, and the ladder is revised by Moses.

I would go on speaking forever on this subject, there is just so much there. It is all a progression leading to the breastplate of the high priest in his covering of precious stones with the names of the 12 tribes.

Very creative, Hannibal! You've written your own midrash aggadah.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:33 PM
 
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I often read the articles at Chabad.org, and this one in particular is one of my favorites. Not so much because of the mysticism of Kabalah as expressed by the author of this article, but because I find myself returning to it often in an attempt to understand the various motivations of fellow Jews and how, regardless of our differences, we are really all one family.

The author asserts that the Twelve Tribes represent twelve different personalities and "Twelve paths. All necessary to reach our destination." The author also asks us to consider this: "Which personality are you? What part do you need to develop?"

Reading this article, I'm pretty certain that my personality is Napthali: "The free spirit personality. Like a ‘deer running free’ – breaking out of the status quo." But I know that this is not the sum total of who I need to be -- that all the Tribes and Personalities make up who we are as a people.

Here is the link to the article. Which personality are you?

https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/arti...elve-Paths.htm
This has the feel of cabalism.

I practiced astrology for about five years drawing up charts and interpreting them. I kept copies of all charts and readings, and followed them up I came to believe astrology is a pseudo science superstition.

The first the thing to go was what I consider the naive belief that human beings can be divided into 12 convenient types.


I was going to write about Barbara Thiering and her loopy book, but it's a bit too far OT.
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