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Old 05-26-2019, 12:20 PM
 
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Xians need Judaism as a basis for their religion. If Judaism is false, then their entire system fails. Judaism on the other hand does NOT need xianity, we stand perfectly well alone. WHY then do they spend so much time trying to convince themselves (and us) that we don't know the meaning of our prophecies, that we don't understand our Holy books and generally try to rewrite everything we already know is true?

xian: The "Old Testament" says this, proving xianity!

Jew: Actually, no it doesn't. Read this, look here and oh, by the way, that word means something else in Hebrew and was mistranslated.

xian: WRONG! If all that is true, then my faith system falls apart, so you are WRONG! MISLEAD! LIED TO!

Jew: *rolls eyes so hard they may get stuck that way*

~Yes, I realize I have answered my own question, but it is irritating to me. Lets call it a vent.
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Old 05-26-2019, 12:58 PM
 
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Xians need Judaism as a basis for their religion. If Judaism is false, then their entire system fails. Judaism on the other hand does NOT need xianity, we stand perfectly well alone. WHY then do they spend so much time trying to convince themselves (and us) that we don't know the meaning of our prophecies, that we don't understand our Holy books and generally try to rewrite everything we already know is true?

xian: The "Old Testament" says this, proving xianity!

Jew: Actually, no it doesn't. Read this, look here and oh, by the way, that word means something else in Hebrew and was mistranslated.

xian: WRONG! If all that is true, then my faith system falls apart, so you are WRONG! MISLEAD! LIED TO!

Jew: *rolls eyes so hard they may get stuck that way*

~Yes, I realize I have answered my own question, but it is irritating to me. Lets call it a vent.
Ironic, isnít it?...
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Old 05-26-2019, 01:08 PM
 
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This only applies to Christians for whom the Bible is seen as the literal Word of God.

You are surely aware (I know that Richard1965 is because he hangs out in Christianity all the time ) that there are Christians who know about the mis-translations/mis-interpretations made in an attempt to cut the foot to fit the shoe. We acknowledge and understand that it was done, and we aren't going to argue about it because it doesn't change our spiritual outlook.
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Old 05-26-2019, 01:29 PM
 
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~Yes, I realize I have answered my own question, but it is irritating to me. Lets call it a vent.

Shalhevet, is somebody giving you a hard time for having become a Jew by choice? I imagine that those who choose to be Jews are going to be faced with criticism from some family members and old friends. If that's the case, don't let it get you down.
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Old 05-26-2019, 01:34 PM
 
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This only applies to Christians for whom the Bible is seen as the literal Word of God.

You are surely aware (I know that Richard1965 is because he hangs out in Christianity all the time ) that there are Christians who know about the mis-translations/mis-interpretations made in an attempt to cut the foot to fit the shoe. We acknowledge and understand that it was done, and we aren't going to argue about it because it doesn't change our spiritual outlook.
Awww, thanks, you made me ten years younger...

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Old 05-26-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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Awww, thanks, you made me ten years younger...
Haha, thanks for pointing out my typo. It's OK, I've still got 7 years on you.
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Old 05-26-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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Shalhevet, is somebody giving you a hard time for having become a Jew by choice? I imagine that those who choose to be Jews are going to be faced with criticism from some family members and old friends. If that's the case, don't let it get you down.
Thank you. You are a sweet person.
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Old 05-26-2019, 02:25 PM
 
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This only applies to Christians for whom the Bible is seen as the literal Word of God.

You are surely aware (I know that Richard1965 is because he hangs out in Christianity all the time ) that there are Christians who know about the mis-translations/mis-interpretations made in an attempt to cut the foot to fit the shoe. We acknowledge and understand that it was done, and we aren't going to argue about it because it doesn't change our spiritual outlook.
Actually, I don't hear a lot about this side. Glad to know these folks are out there!
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Old 05-26-2019, 07:18 PM
 
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Actually, I don't hear a lot about this side. Glad to know these folks are out there!
Thanks. A lot of thought and discussion has gone into the relationship between Christianity and Judaism in recent years. Even in my first Episcopal church back in the late '90s, when another Christian denomination announced its intention to focus on proselytizing to Jews, the EC came up with an official statement at their next convention to the effect that the Gentiles' covenant with God through Christ in no way cancelled out God's covenant with the Jews. Other discussions went to the next level and surmised that therefore attempting to draw a Jew away from Torah is an affront to God.

I'm in agreement with that theological position.
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Old 05-26-2019, 07:56 PM
 
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Thanks. A lot of thought and discussion has gone into the relationship between Christianity and Judaism in recent years. Even in my first Episcopal church back in the late '90s, when another Christian denomination announced its intention to focus on proselytizing to Jews, the EC came up with an official statement at their next convention to the effect that the Gentiles' covenant with God through Christ in no way cancelled out God's covenant with the Jews. Other discussions went to the next level and surmised that therefore attempting to draw a Jew away from Torah is an affront to God.

I'm in agreement with that theological position.
Thanks, MQ...
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