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Old 07-04-2019, 06:28 PM
 
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Testify in this context? You may be in the wrong forum.

Maybe a little light reading is needed:

A Deeper Look: The Words of Kaddish and their Meaning

Am I misreading this? Isn't "to testify" to "bear witness" to some truth, or to publicly make known what one believes to be true? And isn't this exactly what we are acknowledging in regard to HaShem, when we recite the Mourner's Kaddish? The dearly departed isn't the focus of the prayer -- it's our testifying to the greatness of G-d that is the focus -- correct?

This (it seems to me) is why we stand for the Kaddish.

Great link, btw. This, especially, resonates with me:

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May there be abundant peace… He Who makes peace in His heights… Peace is the ideal context for a full, rich, fruitful life. Tragically, peace can be exceptionally elusive. We pray that G-d bless us and the Jewish people with peace. As individuals and a nation we can then fulfill our highest potential.
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Old 07-05-2019, 06:50 AM
 
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Am I misreading this? Isn't "to testify" to "bear witness" to some truth, or to publicly make known what one believes to be true? And isn't this exactly what we are acknowledging in regard to HaShem, when we recite the Mourner's Kaddish? The dearly departed isn't the focus of the prayer -- it's our testifying to the greatness of G-d that is the focus -- correct?

This (it seems to me) is why we stand for the Kaddish.

Great link, btw. This, especially, resonates with me:
Isnít standing a sign of Judgement?...Should we not how before HaShem?...
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Old 07-05-2019, 08:50 AM
 
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Isnít standing a sign of Judgement?...Should we not how before HaShem?...

In my congregation, we give a slight bow in certain prayers at the point where we recite the words: Baruch ata Adonai.
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Old 07-05-2019, 09:34 AM
 
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The Synagogue I usually attend we stand. But I attend all manner of Synagogues, and some sit during Kaddish.


I love reciting it, and sometimes I am sitting, even completely laying down at times. Passing by a cemetery, seeing a dead animal on the road, and even at bedtime thinking about loved ones. I just love to pray.
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Old 07-05-2019, 02:46 PM
 
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In my congregation, we give a slight bow in certain prayers at the point where we recite the words: Baruch ata Adonai.
You should be very careful not to bow when you say Hashemís name. The Shulchan Aruch is abundantly clear never to still be engaged in a box when saying His name. Hereís the formula (and itís only done 3 times in shemona wars, assuming your temple says the entire refills):

Baruch - Bend at the knees and lower your torso
Atta - look up then move your body back to erect
Hashem - you should already be fully erect before saying Hashemís name.
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Old 07-05-2019, 02:54 PM
 
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Tonight I go to shul and stand for for the first time as a mourner. Up until now, it has been shiva at home. It never occurred to me not to rise.
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Old 07-05-2019, 03:56 PM
 
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Tonight I go to shul and stand for for the first time as a mourner. Up until now, it has been shiva at home. It never occurred to me not to rise.

Rachel, may HaShem comfort you among the mourners of Tzion and Yerushalayim.
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Old 07-05-2019, 04:04 PM
 
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Rachel, may HaShem comfort you among the mourners of Tzion and Yerushalayim.
Todah. If it's OK, I'd like to PM you after Shabbos and tell you what happened. (Don't want to hijack the thread.)
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Old 07-05-2019, 04:20 PM
 
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Todah. If it's OK, I'd like to PM you after Shabbos and tell you what happened. (Don't want to hijack the thread.)

Of course it's OK.
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Old 07-09-2019, 03:07 PM
 
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Am I misreading this? Isn't "to testify" to "bear witness" to some truth, or to publicly make known what one believes to be true? And isn't this exactly what we are acknowledging in regard to HaShem, when we recite the Mourner's Kaddish? The dearly departed isn't the focus of the prayer -- it's our testifying to the greatness of G-d that is the focus -- correct?

This (it seems to me) is why we stand for the Kaddish.

Great link, btw. This, especially, resonates with me:
Seems to me this could apply to almost any tfillah. Following this we would have to stand for almost the entire service, including not just kaddish and amidah and other places we traditionally stand.

So this can't be the rationale for standing for kaddish, IMO.
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