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Old 08-14-2019, 08:59 PM
 
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I don’t know which movement my great grandmother was originally. She came from the Netherlands. I don’t know which movement it was though. My sister just found this out on one of the DNA sites.
I think at least one of her brother stayed Jewish. She had 9 brothers and sisters though.
I’m kind of leery of those though. If I find out that’s true though, I still want a conversion, where I have to go in the Mikva and get a certificate.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:15 PM
 
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I question whether that's true. We have a couple of people in my Chabad who converted to Judaism, and they are not Orthodox. (They wear shorts and short-sleeve tops to class, for example, and they certainly drive to services.) They seem to be as warmly accepted as anyone else.

Chabad doesn't distinguish between the various branches of Judaism. To Chabadniks, "A Jew is a Jew is a Jew."

Having said that, Chabadniks do insist that a Jewish convert must have a conversion according to halacha: "..if you didn't have a rabbi that believes in the absolute binding nature of Torah law upon every Jew, then he cannot bind you to the Torah either." https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/arti...Conversion.htm

Here's an article from Chabad that y'all may enjoy reading: "How Are We to View Jews by Choice?"
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/artic...-by-Choice.htm

It speaks of how Jews by Choice have a place of exceptional honor and recognition in Judaism.
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Old 08-15-2019, 06:54 AM
 
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As far as I know, they will not recognize a non-Orthodox conversion. If the OP wants to stay with the Chassids, she and her husband will both have to convert to remain there as Jews. If one undergoes a Conservative or Reform conversion, the Chassids will be polite, but the Jews by Choice will never be Jewish to the Chassids without that conversion. Of course, if I remember correctly, PM's great grandmother was Jewish, so that may be enough for them if the lineage can be traced. AFAIK, a maternal Jewish great grandmother who converted to Christianity is still a Jew.
Chana is correct. Chabad will not count these men in a minyan, but theyíll certainly be polite in hopes that their participation will inspire them towards a fully halachiclly acceptable conversion one day. And for clarity, itís not the Chabad rabbis who donít recognize the conversion. Itís the Torah.
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Old 08-15-2019, 11:26 AM
 
Location: small Southern town balabusta
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I donít know which movement my great grandmother was originally. She came from the Netherlands. I donít know which movement it was though. My sister just found this out on one of the DNA sites.
I think at least one of her brother stayed Jewish. She had 9 brothers and sisters though.
Iím kind of leery of those though. If I find out thatís true though, I still want a conversion, where I have to go in the Mikva and get a certificate.

Yes. I think even more than the mikvah and the certificate is the robustness of learning and the wonderful perspective on it that you will get from the Rabbi. Although it certainly sounds like you've been doing a LOT of prior learning!
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Old 08-15-2019, 11:27 AM
 
Location: small Southern town balabusta
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Chabad doesn't distinguish between the various branches of Judaism. To Chabadniks, "A Jew is a Jew is a Jew."

Having said that, Chabadniks do insist that a Jewish convert must have a conversion according to halacha: "..if you didn't have a rabbi that believes in the absolute binding nature of Torah law upon every Jew, then he cannot bind you to the Torah either." https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/arti...Conversion.htm

Here's an article from Chabad that y'all may enjoy reading: "How Are We to View Jews by Choice?"
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/artic...-by-Choice.htm

It speaks of how Jews by Choice have a place of exceptional honor and recognition in Judaism.

Thank you! Going to bookmark.
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Old 08-15-2019, 02:46 PM
 
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Chana is correct. Chabad will not count these men in a minyan, but theyíll certainly be polite in hopes that their participation will inspire them towards a fully halachiclly acceptable conversion one day. And for clarity, itís not the Chabad rabbis who donít recognize the conversion. Itís the Torah.
Worth repeating.
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:17 PM
 
Location: small Southern town balabusta
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Worth repeating.

Why? The statements stand on their own merit.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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Why? The statements stand on their own merit.
Of course they do. That is why they are worth repeating.

Perhaps you are asking what my two words add to the thread. If so, my answer is that they add public approval of the post. As you may have noted, this set of fora has no provision for "likes" like some fora do. Rather, there is privately awarded "reputation." However, I cannot do even that, since I have not awarded "reputation" to enough sundry folks since I last did so to TFF. One must work within the rules.

Does this answer your question?
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Old Yesterday, 12:57 PM
 
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Chana is correct. Chabad will not count these men in a minyan, but theyíll certainly be polite in hopes that their participation will inspire them towards a fully halachiclly acceptable conversion one day. And for clarity, itís not the Chabad rabbis who donít recognize the conversion. Itís the Torah.
But here's the question: How would the Rabbi KNOW that the man did not have a halachically "kosher" conversion? If a convert shows up and presents himself as Jewish (which of course he considers himself to be), I cannot see how anyone can distinguish.
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Old Yesterday, 01:19 PM
 
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But here's the question: How would the Rabbi KNOW that the man did not have a halachically "kosher" conversion? If a convert shows up and presents himself as Jewish (which of course he considers himself to be), I cannot see how anyone can distinguish.
By asking to see their membership card that is issued with each halachic conversion...
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