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Old 09-03-2019, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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terms of service are that this is an English language forum, and when non-English words are used, a glossary or definition is provided
You might pass that tip on to TFF.
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:27 PM
 
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Very few Aramaic and Yiddish (Yeshivish) words I use have direct English translations. Nearly all are understandable in the context in which they are written. I have lots of faith in how smart you all are. Feels rather discriminating to constantly attack my normal mode of speech. Jewish words in a Jewish forum. So bad?
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:36 PM
 
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Very few Aramaic and Yiddish (Yeshivish) words I use have direct English translations. Nearly all are understandable in the context in which they are written. I have lots of faith in how smart you all are. Feels rather discriminating to constantly attack my normal mode of speech. Jewish words in a Jewish forum. So bad?

Why are you complaining again? Take it up with the Mods. It was their decision that English be the language used here, unless we provide definitions in one way or another.
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:55 PM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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Very few Aramaic and Yiddish (Yeshivish) words I use have direct English translations. Nearly all are understandable in the context in which they are written. I have lots of faith in how smart you all are. Feels rather discriminating to constantly attack my normal mode of speech. Jewish words in a Jewish forum. So bad?
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Why are you complaining again? Take it up with the Mods. It was their decision that English be the language used here, unless we provide definitions in one way or another.
No, it's not the mods decision. The forum operates using English because the owner of the company started it that way. We have always had the same issue with Arabic in the Islam forum. Years ago, Woodrow and I discussed it and agreed that we would buck the system and allow people to use words common to their religion, with the caveat that they provide an English translation so as to comply with the owner's criteria for posting here.

My personal view is that words listed in the "glossary" that is developing here need not carry an inline translation. Anyone unsure about a word can check the Sticky post at the top of the forum. If a word isn't there, it should be accompanied by a translation. People use approximations, context, and multiple words to make clear the meaning of a word without a direct equivalent in English. This is normal anytime two languages are involved.

Incidentally, this isn't a Jewish forum. It is a forum about Judaism. The difference is significant.
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Old 09-05-2019, 05:03 PM
 
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Kind of ironic that we can’t use Jewish words, without jumping thru hoops, in “a forum about Judaism.” Simply using the words in context is enough for people to glean the meaning. Best way to learn. All these translations, once again, is catering to the lowest common denominator. Why assume so many here are so incapable? For ten years they’ve all done fine without translations.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:30 PM
 
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Richard, do you ever listen to New York Jewish radio? I was listening to a shiur tonight, and the speaker gave over the shiur (lamp) in full on Yeshivish (car engine). It was gorgeous to listen to. You’ll no longer have the opportunity to hear and learn it in this forum, though, from now on. But that’s a good thing. Some people decided.
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Old 09-05-2019, 11:13 PM
 
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Some Hebrew words don’t have translations or weren’t meant to, especially words meant to be sacred. They aren’t meant to be used in day to day speech.
Some other “ foreign “ words ,that we’ve been using for decades, we already know what they mean and don’t even try to translate it into English, like : kaput. The military uses that one all the time.
While we’re speaking of “ words” , Is there a difference between “ “ Pious” or “ drum”?
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Old 09-06-2019, 02:25 AM
 
Location: US
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Richard, do you ever listen to New York Jewish radio? I was listening to a shiur tonight, and the speaker gave over the shiur (lamp) in full on Yeshivish (car engine). It was gorgeous to listen to. You’ll no longer have the opportunity to hear and learn it in this forum, though, from now on. But that’s a good thing. Some people decided.
I think everything will be just fine...
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Old 09-06-2019, 04:41 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Some Hebrew words don’t have translations or weren’t meant to, especially words meant to be sacred. They aren’t meant to be used in day to day speech.
Some other “ foreign “ words ,that we’ve been using for decades, we already know what they mean and don’t even try to translate it into English, like : kaput. The military uses that one all the time.
While we’re speaking of “ words” , Is there a difference between “ “ Pious” or “ drum”?
Though I can't be sure, I sense that you mean "frum" which is tied to religious Orthodox practice, and then, inferentially to piety.
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Old 09-06-2019, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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No, it's not the mods decision. The forum operates using English because the owner of the company started it that way. We have always had the same issue with Arabic in the Islam forum. Years ago, Woodrow and I discussed it and agreed that we would buck the system and allow people to use words common to their religion, with the caveat that they provide an English translation so as to comply with the owner's criteria for posting here.

My personal view is that words listed in the "glossary" that is developing here need not carry an inline translation. Anyone unsure about a word can check the Sticky post at the top of the forum. If a word isn't there, it should be accompanied by a translation. People use approximations, context, and multiple words to make clear the meaning of a word without a direct equivalent in English. This is normal anytime two languages are involved.

Incidentally, this isn't a Jewish forum. It is a forum about Judaism. The difference is significant.
Correct. All of us had this conversation where if non-English words are used one must include direct or indirect translations in parenthesis next to the word or at the end of the post. There was and still is one person who continued to type w/o doing so. At the time there were two of us who did his translations as he used the words in the context that they were meant for but has no clue what they translate to.

We tried this "glossary" thread twice and it failed both times as it always came down to the same person who decidedly wasn't going to go with the flow. Our largest issues/time to figure out what was typed was when Yeshivish Hebrew was typed, and we had to backtrack to American Hebrew and then again to Israeli Hebrew. 95%+ of the time English could have been used.
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