Very silly - but sincere - question for jewish people (food, believe)

[Currency Pair Crocodile]

Originally Posted by AnonChick

So how far back is the blame game going, hm? My family on both sides is Jewish, and the heritage goes all the way back to the original Tribes. So sure, a few of our generational ancestors were of European descent. But prior to that, nope. When all them thar Europeans were invading North America, MY ancestors were in Israel. So no, I won't be blaming my European ancestry on the pillage of North America. My European ancestry had nothing to do with it. My Germanic ancestry doesn't go back that far. And my Russian ancestry only goes back to the last couple of Czars.

I AM a native American. My mother IS a native American. Her mother WAS a native American, and her father WAS an immigrant, before the turn of the 20th century.

Smoke on that Peace Pipe, Dakota.

Natives are generally those who originated in a place for 20 to 30 generations.

You're just a long term immigrant

Since you're Jewish, you certainly can't be Inca or Maya or did Jehovah migrate one of the chosen tribes across the Atlantic??

[AnonChick]

Not surprisingly, the dictionary disagrees with you. SOME people have CHOSEN to ASSIGN the meaning to "native" that you have chosen to assign to it, but that doesn't change its definition. By definition, I am native. I am native-born to the United States of North America. I am North American. I have mixed heritage, but since I cannot claim citizenship anywhere else, and since I was born in the USA to USA-born citizens, I have no choice BUT to be a native American.

Note that nowhere in any of my posts have I capitalized the phrase Native American, like so.That's a label that certain political groups of tribal Americans have given their collective People. This doesn't make them any more native than I am. "Native American" is a political designation. It is also more accurate than the previously used "Indian," or even "American Indian." I know a few Cherokees who would prefer to be called Cherokees, and NOT be lumped in and homogenized with all the other tribes under any label at all.

I sang in a benefit concert for the American Indian Council, back in the 1980's. It wasn't called the Native American Council. It was made up of tribal Americans of various tribes...and they named their own Council. I check on the web and whaddya know. It's still called the American Indian Council.

So even the tribes themselves would disagree with you on that label.

Main Entry: 1na·tive
Pronunciation: \ˈnā-tiv\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English natif, from Middle French, from Latin nativus, from natus, past participle of nasci to be born — more at nation
Date: 14th century
1 : inborn, innate <native talents>
2 : belonging to a particular place by birth
3 archaic : closely related
4 : belonging to or associated with one by birth
5 : natural, normal
6 a : grown, produced, or originating in a particular place or in the vicinity : local b : living or growing naturally in a particular region : indigenous

[Currency Pair Crocodile]

I'm not a big fan of dictionaries.

I'll go with the Roman definition. When Pliny or Suetonius refer to natives, they always meant those who inhabited a place for ages and ages and probably originated there.

[lifertexan]

Originally Posted by Antlered Chamataka

I'm not a big fan of dictionaries.

I'll go with the Roman definition. When Pliny or Suetonius refer to natives, they always meant those who inhabited a place for ages and ages and probably originated there.

You're not a big fan of using dictionaries to determine the meaning of words?Interesting take on things.

[Currency Pair Crocodile]

Originally Posted by lifertexan

You're not a big fan of using dictionaries to determine the meaning of words?Interesting take on things.

And you are not aware of the fact that Latin's the origin of many European languages??

Someone once said English is the bastard language. I think it was Bernard Shaw. You can even find Indian words like guru, pandal, coolie, mantra etc., And this is the language you want me to use for semantic analysis?

[lifertexan]

Originally Posted by Antlered Chamataka

And you are not aware of the fact that Latin's the origin of many European languages??

Someone once said English is the bastard language. I think it was Bernard Shaw. You can even find Indian words like guru, pandal, coolie, mantra etc., And this is the language you want me to use for semantic analysis?

So the origins of certain words are Latin?So what?Dictionaries give you the accepted English definition.Why would anyone arguing about English words think that a 2000 year old Latin definition trumps the current English definition?Have you been posting in Latin?Sure looked like English to me.And when conversing in English I find it is best to use the accepted English definition.But hey,whatever floats your boat.

[AnonChick]

How convenient that you prefer the latin:

Etymology: Middle English natif, from Middle French, from Latin nativus, from natus, past participle of nasci to be born — more at nation
Date: 14th century

Amazing isn't it? Native comes from the latin word "nativus," which comes from natus, which is the past participle of the word that translates to "to be born."

And - I was born in the USA. Which makes me..OMG..wait for it..

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NATIVE

[Currency Pair Crocodile]

Originally Posted by AnonChick

How convenient that you prefer the latin:

Etymology: Middle English natif, from Middle French, from Latin nativus, from natus, past participle of nasci to be born — more at nation
Date: 14th century

Amazing isn't it? Native comes from the latin word "nativus," which comes from natus, which is the past participle of the word that translates to "to be born."

And - I was born in the USA. Which makes me..OMG..wait for it..

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NATIVE

Pliny does not discuss the birth of one person. It's the birth of a race, the nativity of a race.

You are not a native American. You're just an American, a descendant of former immigrants Deal with the truth, lol, I know it's hard to digest. You might wanna trace your ancestry back to Israel, there lies your true native land

I may be traveling through Korea and my wife may give birth to my son out there. That technically means he's Korean?? The laws of the land may call for it. And people are going to laugh at him if he claims he's Korean LMAO (coz it's hilarious like you claiming that you are a native American). He's not, there's no way in hell he's going to look anything Korean. His native land is the land of his forefathers, that would be India.

[Rabbi Dakota]

She could marry into Sigma NA blood and or convert. That's the ticket there needs to be an NA version of a Bar/Bat Mitzva where speaking the basics is par for the course. It actually be relatively easy to use Reform Judaisms paradigm for the Sigma NA . The Reform sect is attractive as it is more centered around the Eucharist in theory as far as reinforcement of beneficial traits the different heritages a family brings to the congregation in order to create renewed tradition. There tends to me much more genetic variation as a result. The Sigma NA that are nearer to being tribally fullblooded are in need of some more international bloodlines in order to shore the gene pool .

[Jazzymom]

Originally Posted by Antlered Chamataka

Pliny does not discuss the birth of one person. It's the birth of a race, the nativity of a race.

You are not a native American. You're just an American, a descendant of former immigrants Deal with the truth, lol, I know it's hard to digest. You might wanna trace your ancestry back to Israel, there lies your true native land

I may be traveling through Korea and my wife may give birth to my son out there. That technically means he's Korean?? The laws of the land may call for it. And people are going to laugh at him if he claims he's Korean LMAO (coz it's hilarious like you claiming that you are a native American). He's not, there's no way in hell he's going to look anything Korean. His native land is the land of his forefathers, that would be India.

You know everyone came from somewhere even the Native Americans. The world is full of migrations and the people who were in those migrations. It started when the early humans migrated out of Africa and populated the world. My family has been in this country on my fathers side for 300 years. My family landed in New England from Great Britain and have been there ever since. I would consider myself native to this country.

Most countries have different laws regarding citizenship. In the US if you are born here you can claim citizenship. I suppose if that is the law in Korea then your so called son could be eligible for Korean citizenship. Why would it be hilarious if your son was a korean citizen? My native land is not Great Britain. I would not even be allowed to move there to live permanently. I am just of British ancestry I am not native to Great Britain. I don't call myself British. I am an American and I was born in this country and my family has been here 300 years.